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Old 04-07-2014, 11:28 AM   #1 (permalink)
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When I started board 22 or so years ago, I had a typical stance used at the time. Zero degree back foot, plus 25 or so on the front.

Over the years I've tweaked and tweaked to where I now like -9 rear, +12 on the front or so.

Yesterday I tried a full on forward stance: +9 rear, +27 front, leaving the stance width the same. Tried a few runs on medium to steep groomers, with variable terrain thrown in.

WHAT THE HELL MAN!?!

I really gave it a shot, tried many difference techniques, advanced sliders turns, low speed short radius, and high speed GS style carves. There may have been a SLIGHT advantage to the super high speed laid out carves, but it was not a confident feeling.

The biggest thing I took away from it was not being able to bend my legs nearly as much to absorb the variable terrain.

How does Terje do it?!?
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Old 04-07-2014, 11:43 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I ride about 30 front 23 back and that's what I am used to so it works for me. I haven't changed my stance in years- been riding just a few years longer than what you listed. I started back then with back foot flat across and have been dialing it forward ever since. I don't ride fakie, except when just screwing around and on very flat runs, don't do rails, but still occasionally hit a jump in the park (but I am getting old for that). Maybe it's just what you get used to? I don't think I would like riding negative stance at all.
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Welcome in the club! Saturday I was experimenting with 35 - 21 ! Felt way weird for the first few runs... but after.. man you can lay some turns! I could have used a shorter stance ( I was at 22 ) but other than that felt awesome on hardpack.
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Welcome in the club! Saturday I was experimenting with 35 - 21 ! Felt way weird for the first few runs... but after.. man you can lay some turns! I could have used a shorter stance ( I was at 22 ) but other than that felt awesome on hardpack.
I think next time I experiment I'll do it first thing, give me a chance to get used to it on fresh groomers before the variable terrain starts rearing it's ugly head. It felt like it's biggest downside was versatility in bumps...
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funny you say that, I was goofing around on the last run of the day yesterday at marmot and flipped my bindings over to +30, +18. It felt really weird, this was my first try at laying down some carves. But when I got to mid mountain and some soft snow I was almost laying down nipple scratchers, my friends said I was cutting deep trench. Couldn't handle bumps or moguls at all but it's fun to lay out some carves on groomers.

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I think next time I experiment I'll do it first thing, give me a chance to get used to it on fresh groomers before the variable terrain starts rearing it's ugly head. It felt like it's biggest downside was versatility in bumps...

Take your time! But insist. High angles have completely bumped up groomer days carving It's hella fun! But yes, bumps and moguls are still no good. I do short quick turns over them

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yeh +/+ all the way, you'll get used to the absorbtion thing
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The biggest thing I took away from it was not being able to bend my legs nearly as much to absorb the variable terrain
You definitely give up a lot of movement range - just try it at home without board.

IMO, most riders with a forward stance look very awkward during edge transitions, because they tend to bend at the hips when trying to unweight - presumably, because they don't have sufficient movement range.
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You definitely give up a lot of movement range - just try it at home without board.

IMO, most riders with a forward stance look very awkward during edge transitions, because they tend to bend at the hips when trying to unweight - presumably, because they don't have sufficient movement range.
Hummm I don't agree...maybe with a really narrow stance? Other than that you can bend your knees more than enough. Of course if you're carving over moguls it's not going to work either forward or duck... to unweight you extend at the end of a turn and load the front foot for the next.. leaning forward instead of sideways
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I always thought duck stance looked very awkward, sliding to initiate turns rather than carving to do so, also lots of going down runs facing forward like a skier, but always on heelside edge, acting like a snowplow scraping the snow off the runs
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