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Old 09-02-2014, 03:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question How to get rid of a bad habit?

First of, self taught rider. Took many years to eradicate all of them old bad habits - well, at least I thought so.

But when I screened some takes riding steep narrow terrain, there it was! A shameful old counter turning . Dunno how you guys call it, but I mean when doing a frontside turn, the shoulders counter turn backwards, and hence the weight shifts unintendedly to the hind leg and ruins the flow, interrupts fluent turns.

Asked an instructor friend lately to check my riding and he just said it's all fine. I donít have that problem on groomers, also not on steep but wide open terrain. Ony in the steep n deep n narrow. So I guess it's when I'm highly concentrated on the surrounding and bit pumped, that it crawls up.

Hints how I can overcome that habit entirely? Wanna ride them steeps more fluently next time
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Old 09-02-2014, 03:48 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Ah, the very common counter rotation problem.

A few suggestions:

1. Practice some easier runs holding the bottom sides of your jacket. It will help you get a feel for keeping your upper body in line with your lower body, as holding your jacket will restrict the movement of your upper body, especially the shoulders.
2. Always think to keep your shoulders within the width of your board. As your board moves, your shoulders should move with it, thereby keeping your torso parallel with the board.
3. Many people ride with "open" shoulders. That is, to look where they are going they turn their upper body in that direction. Using point 2 above, think to rotate your neck/head as close to 90 degrees as you can to see where you are going, leaving your shoulders parallel to the front and back edges of your board.

Hope these make sense and help.
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If it's only on steep and narrow, not on steep and wide, it might be strictly psychological. You're less confident in that area, so you "lean back", both figuratively and literally. With your weight off your front foot, you have to throw your weight around to get the steering.

I have a number of areas where I get freaked out and lean back. The way I handle it is to deliberately go into those areas and consciously keep my weight forward. Do it as slow as possible a couple of times, then gradually ramp it up, but if I lean back, I start over.
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Old 09-02-2014, 05:20 PM   #4 (permalink)
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If it's only on steep and narrow, not on steep and wide, it might be strictly psychological. You're less confident in that area, so you "lean back", both figuratively and literally. With your weight off your front foot, you have to throw your weight around to get the steering.

Yes, it's only in the "holy fuck, do.not.fall." area so yes, there's a psychological factor. You may be right, I may interchange cause and symptoms. May well be that the back seat is the initial underlying cause. Will be hard to exercise/ramp up cos I don't get the opportunity often.
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Old 09-02-2014, 05:25 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I get that when I'm gunning it with tired legs, throw one turn too many and then chicken out.

I'm unfit so technique goes out the window in the afternoon
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Old 09-02-2014, 06:19 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I've been fighting the same bad habit in the steep and narrows for a couple of seasons now. For whatever reason, I don't want to look away from the fall line. Obviously it's no problem going from toe to heel because that turn gives you an even better view downhill, but toe to hill gets sluggish to initiate.

I've noticed that, for me, it starts with sneaking a peek downhill while on my toes to a lingering look a couple of turns later to full blown counter-rotation.

Only thing that I've found that helps a bit is to practice turning an predetermined times rather than spots. Ie count 1,2,3...1,2,3 turning on every 3 not matter what is under my feet. It helps me to focus back to terrain that I'm moving toward rather than what is on the fall line below me.
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Old 09-02-2014, 08:21 PM   #7 (permalink)
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My scarry hill stuff is probably nothing like you real mountain boys.
But when I'm a little hesitant, scared or skills aren't there for my physical location this is where I use the absolute best form and total concentration so I know my board goes where I need it to go to stay alive and in one piece.

I usually get Neni's description/issue when I"m just out messing around on the groomers and just get sloppy or tired.

As to your question, now that you know the type of terrain that you have the issue with I think this is where you need to really turn up the concentration since you describe it as almost sub-consciously
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Old 09-02-2014, 11:29 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Practice proper body position on moguls or other challenging terrain as a warmup. Nev Lapwood covers maintaining upper body position in this new vid he just posted.

How to ride bumpy terrain and moguls on a snowboard | Snowboard Addiction
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Old 09-03-2014, 12:26 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I think that you should have that technique in your pocket for really tight trees and super narrow terrain where you want to switch edges quickly but want to maintain a slow speed without just side slipping or jump stopping. It could be that you are just riding open however when I am in really really tight trees i like to be counter rotated almost like sliding rails or doing a shifty.

It is a counter rotation though its not just riding open, when I am on my heal edge my shoulders are closed off to the maximum they can be.
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