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nose roll vs butter is there a difference?

Can some-one please help me with a definition.

Is there a difference between a nose roll (or tail roll) and a butter?

Doing my APSI L3 soon and freaking out about the freestyle component.

my BF says that a nose roll starts with a centred stance, and then rolls around an edge of the nose with a quick rotation, while a butter starts with the board on the nose / tail with a flat base, then adds the rotation.

is it just semantics? is there a difference?
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Sounds like jargon.
Is it a fakie ollie or a switch nollie?
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It's my understanding that "Butters, Buttering" is first a generic term for flatland tricks when riding the board in a "Pressed" position either nose or tail.

That said, a straight butter, is simply riding straight, reg or switch while pressing the board. (...nose or tail slightly raised,)

Nose/Tail rolls, are when you are adding rotation to your press and swinging around 180 degrees on the nose or tail of the board. Additionally, you can add ollies, nollies, and other variations of moves to make them even more Steezy! . You can either be riding a straight press and then rotate around, or you can start your rotation while riding flat and then raise your nose or tail for the nose rolls!

Then of course,... Just to add to you confusion! You can do them Front side, Back side, reg, switch, etc, etc.

In general tho, the term Butters is / can be used generically for mist all of them.


Jeb,(...as Snowmie.com) as well as Snowboardaddiction.com has video showing and describing most of those variations of buttering moves.

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what chomps said.

except I think you can also do rolls without any buttering at all. I used to do them with my old wood plank before I knew anything about buttering. what I mean is the nose/tail doesn't flex at all, it kind of just "rolls" around the edge. then again I don't hang out in the freestyle circles so don't take my word for it.
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Yeah I've always understood buttering to be a generic term for various flat ground presses the same way jibbing covers a variety of rail tricks. A nose roll is a specific butter trick the same way a boardslide is a specific jib trick.

This is just my interpretation however, there are probably others on here that are more knowledgeable on "correct" freestyle terminology.
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Can some-one please help me with a definition.

Is there a difference between a nose roll (or tail roll) and a butter?

Doing my APSI L3 soon and freaking out about the freestyle component.

my BF says that a nose roll starts with a centred stance, and then rolls around an edge of the nose with a quick rotation, while a butter starts with the board on the nose / tail with a flat base, then adds the rotation.

is it just semantics? is there a difference?
Your friend is overthinking. S/he is referring to buttering.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WWAAjrxTb0o

Some buttering for you.
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what chomps said.

except I think you can also do rolls without any buttering at all. I used to do them with my old wood plank before I knew anything about buttering.what I mean is the nose/tail doesn't flex at all, it kind of just "rolls" around the edge.[/B] then again I don't hang out in the freestyle circles so don't take my word for it.
Yup!! That's just doing "Flat Spins!" It's good practice for working on your edge awareness and control before you start adding extra elements to them. Like presses etc!

Like has been said, all encompassed in gereric "buttering" tricks.

BTW, to the OP, you can search the forum under my username for "misc. video!" I have a SHITON of Ryan Knaptons buttering tutorials posted in that thread. That might help u out too. (...he gives a name for ea. buttering trick he does in his tut's.)

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Yup!! That's just doing "Flat Spins!" It's good practice for working on your edge awareness and control before you start adding extra elements to them. Like presses etc!
no, not flat spins. what I would do is lift the tail off the ground and rotate frontside 180 while the nose still touched the snow. what I meant was that the nose wasn't "pressed" at all, it was just touching to help with the rotation.
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I have a SHITON of Ryan Knaptons buttering tutorials posted in that thread. That might help u out too. (...he gives a name for ea. buttering trick he does in his tut's.)
Ryan Knapton is the shit! his technique is unbelievable!

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A nose roll is a form of buttering.

So...like you said...semantics.

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