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Old 11-04-2014, 08:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I need some advice.

I'm wanting to get into aerial tricks this year, but don't know where to begin. I've never done a front or back flip, so I'm a complete newb when it comes to doing anything in the air.

I know people have raved about trampoline training. But, my current tramp classes seem like they're going nowhere. After attending 5 classes, we've yet to do any flips or anything that I can take to the slopes. There are too many "progressions/levels" to go through (seat drop, front drop, doggie drop, etc). Granted, the course is not geared towards freestylers. I would have taken that class, but it's only for teens--not for adults like me.

Anyway, what should I do? I really want to learn how to do flips and off-axis maneuvers. My current tramp classes are not doing it for me, so I'm now thinking that maybe gymnastics might be the better way to go. Any thoughts? Has anyone taken gymnastic lessons and found it helpful for doing aerial snowboard tricks? Or, is there a better route for learning aerial tricks?

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Old 11-04-2014, 09:23 PM   #2 (permalink)
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1) train more, get in the air
2) you have to learn the basics before advancing, chill and learn.
3) yeah, air awareness and knowing how to fall when you fail is key to survival.
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agree with argo.

just do it more. start from the basics and progress your way up.
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I took some one-on-one tramp lessons a couple of seasons ago. I was doing front flips (into the foam pit) the second lesson. The key is private lessons.
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I took some one-on-one tramp lessons a couple of seasons ago. I was doing front flips (into the foam pit) the second lesson. The key is private lessons.

Yeah, I think that's probably the way to go. And, I suspect that the place I go to now is overly anal about safety. Their policy is that students cannot attempt flips until they've gone through their many (dozens) of "progressions". I don't feel as though I'm being challenged enough. I suspect that they won't teach me flips until I take their Advanced class (I'm in the beginner, btw, as I should be).

The strange thing is, during our warm up (on the floor, not on the tramp), we're doing somersaults and handstands to a roll (no flips, though). I really like that part and feel like I'm accomplishing something. And, my muscles get a great workout, which I can't say the same thing for when I'm on the tramp. That's why I was thinking maybe going the gymnastics route, and dropping out of my tramp classes.

Also, I remember someone telling me that trampolines are great for perfecting tricks that you already know, as opposed to using trampolines for learning new tricks (as I'm doing now).
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Yeah, I think that's probably the way to go. And, I suspect that the place I go to now is overly anal about safety. Their policy is that students cannot attempt flips until they've gone through their many (dozens) of "progressions". I don't feel as though I'm being challenged enough. I suspect that they won't teach me flips until I take their Advanced class (I'm in the beginner, btw, as I should be).

The strange thing is, during our warm up (on the floor, not on the tramp), we're doing somersaults and handstands to a roll (no flips, though). I really like that part and feel like I'm accomplishing something. And, my muscles get a great workout, which I can't say the same thing for when I'm on the tramp. That's why I was thinking maybe going the gymnastics route, and dropping out of my tramp classes.

Also, I remember someone telling me that trampolines are great for perfecting tricks that you already know, as opposed to using trampolines for learning new tricks (as I'm doing now).
I would recommend the private lessons as well. I did a lesson at Woodward at Copper last year. We spent half a day in the barn. Crowbar had me doing a back flip on the tramps in about 20 minutes. I had never done a back flip in my 40 years to that point.

If you can buy a tramp, that is a better way to go in my opinion though. I recently bought one and have been using it nearly every day. It isn't gonna make you Torstein by any means, but it has really helped with my balance and air awareness. I feel super comfortably doing front and back flips and side aerials. I bought snowboard addictions training board too, so I'm practicing grabs. That has helped a ton with my balance. I'm finally figured out how to do grabs and keep my upper body still instead of leaning over for the grab. I'll be trying the flips with my board soon, that may get interesting.

Great daily workout too.
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I found the tramp was great for getting over some rotation problems that I had. I tended to dip my shoulder when starting a spin, and I tended to stop looking into the rotation too soon.
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If you are a complete newb when it comes to doing anything in the air then you're getting way ahead of yourself. Straight airs, grabs, 180s and 360s should all be pretty well locked down before you even think about going upside down or off axis. And for most people that will take some time. I'm sure tramp training and gymnastics are great for improving agility and air awareness but you need to get the basics down first, on a snowboard not a trampoline.
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ask any olympian, it starts first in the mind, visualization
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Thanks everyone for chiming in! Very helpful to get your perspective.


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If you are a complete newb when it comes to doing anything in the air then you're getting way ahead of yourself. Straight airs, grabs, 180s and 360s should all be pretty well locked down before you even think about going upside down or off axis. And for most people that will take some time. I'm sure tramp training and gymnastics are great for improving agility and air awareness but you need to get the basics down first, on a snowboard not a trampoline.
You're so right, Brewtown. I am getting a bit ahead of myself. Once I get more experience doing stuff in the air and on the slopes, then maybe the next step might be to incorporate the tramp.

Thanks, again, guys!
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