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post #11 of 63 (permalink) Old 11-09-2007, 04:09 PM
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JiveTalkingRobot, you're right and I think Paolo got what we mean also. Snowjoe, you didn't totally get what I meant. I wasn't thinking about ollieing and then starting your spin, I thought about it as a fluid motion where you would first turn your shoulders in the opposite direction starting turning shoulders first and IN THE SAME TIME popping a board of the ground. Very similar how skaters do BS/FS 180/360. Hope you know get what I mean...?
It has the same effect though, because when you spin you need the edge set in the snow, if you ollie you lose the set edge and have to resistance to spin against. Yes you use your upper body but you need the resistance of the edge on snow to get enough power into the spin.
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Well the ollie technique for rotations is also used, and very much by pro's as from what I've found, but I might be harder than the both feet up way because of the cork. Still I'd say when you master doing rotations with ollie it will look and feel much better, because when you spring off that edge of the tail it give an extra 'bounce' and you'll probably go higher.
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Well the ollie technique for rotations is also used, and very much by pro's as from what I've found, but I might be harder than the both feet up way because of the cork. Still I'd say when you master doing rotations with ollie it will look and feel much better, because when you spring off that edge of the tail it give an extra 'bounce' and you'll probably go higher.
Edit: Ahh screw it lol. Its so hard to explain on the internet.

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Agreed. Last year I used learned the bs 180 without the pop, and this year I'll be incorporating it with ollie. As you said, timing will probably be a little problem. I also read that just before the jump, when doing backside 180, transfer your weight on to the toes, and spring off from your toes, not flat based. Might be good to try.
post #15 of 63 (permalink) Old 11-10-2007, 05:25 AM
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all good stuff in here. i fess tho, not being freestyle orientated, i have never actually tried a 360. i defo have the 180s sussed tho; going both ways, grabbed and tweaked and when needed, with ollie pop.

for me the main obstacle to over come, was to get straight in my mind, all of the seperate elements of the jump; the speed and approach, the direction up the transition, the edge and pop and the application of adequate shoulder movement to acquire the perfect amount of rotation, the lifting of the knees to realise and tweak a grab.

for sure enuff speed negates the need to go for ollie pop, but there seems to be some confusion over the cause of 'corkedness';

from what i have read, the application of a carved turn (on the transition) to establish (too much) edge bite can cause invertion during the spin. over enthusiastic ollying will potentially cause a back flip no? as said tho, this is what has been read; i have only ever cared for 180s thus far, something that 'pros' don't necessarily consider to be a rotation at all, but a 'mid air turn'!

in any event, when someone quotes Walsh as saying 'take off from the toe edge of your rear foot', it is tuff to argue that you should be leaping from both feet at the same time.

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I do BS spins much easier than FS. mainly as a result of naturally closing my upper body is a BS spin whereas, I tend to open up too much going FS; a habit I am trying to break. Definitely, pop off your toes when going BS, it makes it much easier and I think it looks smoother too. A great way to practice doing this to get the feel, is jump something where you can kind of traverse the run a bit on your toe edge. If you are doing a 180, just remember to land so you are on your heel edge (if traversing).
I have that same problem. Plus breaking my arm trying frontside 3's has left me a little apprehensive about my front side spins. But I'm getting them worked out this year.
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I do BS spins much easier than FS. mainly as a result of naturally closing my upper body is a BS spin whereas, I tend to open up too much going FS; a habit I am trying to break. Definitely, pop off your toes when going BS, it makes it much easier and I think it looks smoother too. A great way to practice doing this to get the feel, is jump something where you can kind of traverse the run a bit on your toe edge. If you are doing a 180, just remember to land so you are on your heel edge (if traversing).
I have that same problem. Plus breaking my arm trying frontside 3's has left me a little apprehensive about my front side spins. But I'm getting them worked out this year.
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Sure bs is much easier than fs for me too, whether its snowboard or skateboard. As snowolf said, I also feel much more natural rotating bs, but much bigger problem for me is switch stance. I was skateboarding before and I also had big problems with switch, no way I could ride a board that way. So many times I'd do a bs 180 very good until that last point when you have to ride away after impact. I would often fall when doing it from higher places. I never practiced riding in switch stance which is probably my biggest error. Altough I know some people who are naturally good in both stances. A real blessing when it comes to skateboarding or snowboarding. Very lucky guys.
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Altough it's the least thing I'd like to do with a snowboard, I'll go practice my switch this winter. Thanks for all the help people.
post #20 of 63 (permalink) Old 11-12-2007, 04:58 PM
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I practice my switch riding basically only when I'm with people that I can't charge with. If I'm being pushed switch doesn't happen, if I'm with my gf and her friends and trying to teach her how to ride properly than I practice switch. The thing that holds me back the most in terms of switch is my forward stance angles. I'm gonna move to a slight duck this season and see if I can get comfortable that way again. It's been a while now!
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