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post #1 of 85 (permalink) Old 11-09-2007, 10:47 AM
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Regular jump or ollie ?

First of all hello to everyone. I've been snowboarding for some time and I learned to jump by myself so I learned it in the way that you lift both legs at the same time off the ground, just like you would jump without the snowboard. Then I've heard about snowboarding ollie which you perform similarly to skateboard ollie, lifting front foot first and then the back one. So I was wondering whats better, which lets you jump higher ? When going for a jump I'm now used to jump with pulling both knees at the same time, should I change my habit ? Thanks.
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I use both ways for different things. Doing straight airs on smaller terrain or popping up over little obstacles I tend to ollie it like a skateboard. Anything with a rotation I pop off of both feet equally as often if you ollie into a spin you'll land pretty back seat.

I wont pop two footed off of a flat base either, always set the edge to spin off and give some resistance.

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I always use the ollie effect; that way your jump is propelled upwards more from longitundinal elasticity of the snowboard and less from your muscular energetic expenditure... etc yibble yibble yibble

you jump higher and get less tired. for sure, if you wanna get tricky such as by adding rotations etc, then you need to compromise this need for launch, with the need to maintain stability, but this would just require a more 'mellow' ollie.

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The launch for a spin is a different movement to an ollie completely. You shouldn't need much pop at all to do it if the jump is made properly, just with enough speed to find the landing. Just a small little pop off both feet at the same time rather than lifting the nose. Popping with both feet keeps you more level throughout the spin. If you do an ollie movement you lose all resistance off of most of your edge to spin off making the spin really hard to rotate.
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i am not about to say you are incorrect Joe, but at the same time i do not agree.

i guess it might be down to a lack of comprehension on my part, but i fail to see how you could enjoy any 'pop' at all, unless you have utilised the ollie properties of your board. (are we simply stumbling over jargon here?)

it is the elastic spring that produces the 'pop' of an ollie and a jump alike; otherwise, you are simply riding up the transition of a jump and letting your inertia of an upward trajectory break the hold of gravity, to get you into the air. from then, any leg raising is simply a tuck, so you can apply a grab.

i am by no means a human flea, but those little 'stunts' i have done, have always used pop and usually are flat based (or very slight toe edge bite) on lauching, with the upper body making the rotation.

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Thanks people. For the spins, I'm not sure what way is better because I'm used to doing them lifting feet at the same time, but it might be better to do it as if you are starting an ollie, but in those moment when the nose is up and tail is lifting of the ground you start your spin. Similar to skate bs or fs 180/360 ollie.
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It depends. Sometimes by pop I didn't mean pop like out of an ollie just like a little hop, not getting any upwards force from the board at all. You shouldnt need to if you hit it at the right speed on a decent jump.

You also can get a different type of pop caused by you loading the board up and it rebounding upwards. Have you seen how people will often "carve" their way into a jump. If you go in aggressively like this you load up the board along the sidecut with pressure causing the board to bend, when you then do the little hop it unloads the board which rebounds back to its original shape giving you some uplift.

I kinda find it hard to explain on the internet, but next time your riding and your carving hard in between the turns just hop upwards and you'll feel the board provide you with some lift.

Edit: In fact I just looked it up in the CASI manual aswell and they're all about popping the rotation off of BOTH feet at the same time.

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Thanks people. For the spins, I'm not sure what way is better because I'm used to doing them lifting feet at the same time, but it might be better to do it as if you are starting an ollie, but in those moment when the nose is up and tail is lifting of the ground you start your spin. Similar to skate bs or fs 180/360 ollie.
When you do that you lose your set edge in the snow. Once you lose the set edge you lose any resistance to start your rotation against. Thats why you shouldnt ollie into the spin. It would mean your trying to start your spin whilst already airborne. Stand up and try it now. Start your spin with your feet on the floor then jump upwards and start the spin in the air. You'll feel which one is easier.

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Looks like this winter I'm learning to jump from the start. I'm pretty stable, I always jump flat based, or as you say a bit to the toe edge and also land flat for more stability. The only thing that I never did was pop, I did it all by my muscles. This winter I'm learning the real ollie.
This jump with both feet was very easy for me, is ollie much more difficult ? I was skating for some time and was pretty good with ollieing, and it looks to me that it's harder to ollie with a skate than with a board, so I hope there won't be much problems.
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Paolo -

I think what they are trying to say is jumping with the same amount of force off of both feet at the same time (not just merely lifting legs) versus springing off the tail and leaning forward and leveling out (ollie).

Both give upwards force with the ollie being more effective. The compromise is the lack of rotational force... i think it would be hard to dig in for a spin and spring off the tail....
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JiveTalkingRobot, you're right and I think Paolo got what we mean also. Snowjoe, you didn't totally get what I meant. I wasn't thinking about ollieing and then starting your spin, I thought about it as a fluid motion where you would first turn your shoulders in the opposite direction starting turning shoulders first and IN THE SAME TIME popping a board of the ground. Very similar how skaters do BS/FS 180/360. Hope you know get what I mean...?



''Backside 180 by Devun Walsh

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2. Approach the jump with the same amount of speed you’ve hit it with before, and as you get to the lip of the jump, spring off the toeside edge of your tail.''
Backside 180 by Devun Walsh | howto | Transworld Snowboarding

That's what I meant, he actually does do a real ollie when doing bs but just when the board is popping of the ground the rotation is making it pop of the side of the tail and creates rotation.

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