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Okay, so I went out today, and it was really the tale two snowboarders.

The first part of my day wasn't too bad. It was hairy at first, still some falling, but then it clicked. I was making it down greens without falling, doing okay turns, still speed checking a little but over all not too bad. Even decided to try some blues. A little more falling leaf than I'd have liked, but I made it down unscathed. I was starting to get the hang of it, or so I thought.....

This resort(Jack Frost) closes at 4, but their sister resort about ten minutes away will honor your lift tickets, since I was feeling good about my progress and had the confidence of a million newbs wrapped int one newb, I decided I wasn't done yet and headed over.

I took the lift up(which isn't marked at all to inform you what terrain you'll find at the top) hoping I wasn't on the wrong lift about to be led to a triple black diamond of death and despair. I was relieved to find some blues and greens at top.

I was not too crazy about the conditions though. What had been slightly slushy snow at the bottom, was ice at the top. Looking down, I noticed this was a longer and steeper run than any green I had ever ridden, almost more like the blue I attempted at JF. But I had just met a nice couple who were about to go on their first run ever, and asked if it would be okay if they followed me, so they could see how it's done. So we proceeded down the "beginner hill"(I warned them that I'm not that good, but since I was starting to get the hang of it, I was probably their best bet on that hill atm), and it was choppy. I started off showing them falling leaf, just in case they got overwhelmed on the actual run, and down we went. I did awful, but I figured it was mostly because I was trying to basically give a lesson on the way down, which broke my concentration enough.

Next run, I couldn't stay standing to save my life. I was wiping out every which way, like I had never been on a snowboard before! I took another run, and got so frustrated I unstrapped and did the "walk of shame" down the ungroomed area on the side. I took a break, had some overpriced shitty food for dinner, and decided to go back up for another run. I found my new friends at the top(they didn't break with me), and we tried going down another one of the greens. Same thing, like I had never been on a snowboard before.

Is this normal? Do beginners have peaks and valleys THIS extreme? I can expect a little regression at times, but to go from being about ready to start hitting blues, to almost like I'd never snowboarded before? Was it a fatigue thing maybe? The icy conditions? The fact that I thought the slope was a bit more like a blue, which may have sapped my confidence? A combination of all these maybe?
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I would say you need to stay relaxed. Choppy surface especially require that or you will just get thrown around a lot losing balance.
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Okay, so I went out today, and it was really the tale two snowboarders.

The first part of my day wasn't too bad. It was hairy at first, still some falling, but then it clicked. I was making it down greens without falling, doing okay turns, still speed checking a little but over all not too bad. Even decided to try some blues. A little more falling leaf than I'd have liked, but I made it down unscathed. I was starting to get the hang of it, or so I thought.....

This resort(Jack Frost) closes at 4, but their sister resort about ten minutes away will honor your lift tickets, since I was feeling good about my progress and had the confidence of a million newbs wrapped int one newb, I decided I wasn't done yet and headed over.

I took the lift up(which isn't marked at all to inform you what terrain you'll find at the top) hoping I wasn't on the wrong lift about to be led to a triple black diamond of death and despair. I was relieved to find some blues and greens at top.

I was not too crazy about the conditions though. What had been slightly slushy snow at the bottom, was ice at the top. Looking down, I noticed this was a longer and steeper run than any green I had ever ridden, almost more like the blue I attempted at JF. But I had just met a nice couple who were about to go on their first run ever, and asked if it would be okay if they followed me, so they could see how it's done. So we proceeded down the "beginner hill"(I warned them that I'm not that good, but since I was starting to get the hang of it, I was probably their best bet on that hill atm), and it was choppy. I started off showing them falling leaf, just in case they got overwhelmed on the actual run, and down we went. I did awful, but I figured it was mostly because I was trying to basically give a lesson on the way down, which broke my concentration enough.

Next run, I couldn't stay standing to save my life. I was wiping out every which way, like I had never been on a snowboard before! I took another run, and got so frustrated I unstrapped and did the "walk of shame" down the ungroomed area on the side. I took a break, had some overpriced shitty food for dinner, and decided to go back up for another run. I found my new friends at the top(they didn't break with me), and we tried going down another one of the greens. Same thing, like I had never been on a snowboard before.

Is this normal? Do beginners have peaks and valleys THIS extreme? I can expect a little regression at times, but to go from being about ready to start hitting blues, to almost like I'd never snowboarded before? Was it a fatigue thing maybe? The icy conditions? The fact that I thought the slope was a bit more like a blue, which may have sapped my confidence? A combination of all these maybe?
Sounds like you went down bunny schluss. It's a little narrow and steeper than what you would be use to a jfbb, lots of tight turns. It's a little more challenging at bb than at mf. But much shorter vertical. it's mostly mental, as if you did any of the blues at jf. You would be fine at any green or blue at bb.
Some tomes that 10 mile drive also wears you out moving from jf to bb. Usually I call it a day if I am jack from morning till 4

I would not worry too much about it

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I did go down that actually. Thinking "THIS IS A GREEN WTF!!!!!!" the whole time probably isn't great for confidence.

I will put this behind me, no sense crying over spilled milk(or in this case snowboarder )

That would be great larrytbull! No worries though if you can't make it.
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I did go down that actually. Thinking "THIS IS A GREEN WTF!!!!!!" the whole time probably isn't great for confidence.

I will put this behind me, no sense crying over spilled milk(or in this case snowboarder )

That would be great larrytbull! No worries though if you can't make it.
You know if you go faster it makes it easier.
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You'll have your ups and downs, but there could be other things at work, too. Slope difficulty is a more complex equation than just what color the powers that be decided to call it. When you start to lose the sun, the temperature can drop quickly, and everything that was friendly slush begins to turn into ice. Another possible variable is that the next mountain over might be facing a different direction, which also affects the intensity of the freeze/thaw cycle. Being narrow, maybe that particular run sees more than its fair share of power pizza/heelside heroes. Fatigue may also have started to set in. Experience (and today counts!) will help you deal with all these things better.
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I would say you need to stay relaxed. Choppy surface especially require that or you will just get thrown around a lot losing balance.
yup, what he said. You might think you should be doing better but as you ride of tracked out lumps/bumps into the day you can actually do worse.

Also, you could have hit a wall with being tired both physically / mentally. Not everyone progresses at the same rate either. Some people a bit more fearless are usually faster at progressing but their accidents are usually a bit more painful and result in more broken bones. People that are a bit more cautious usually progress much less quickly, and can possibly peak at a level a bit lower than a more fearless person - but will likely, on average, suffer less bodily injury.

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One you were tired

Two the conditions turned from soft n slow to hard and fast as the sun went down and the terrain was probably pretty beat up anyway at that point

Don't beat yourself up over it.
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You know if you go faster it makes it easier.
I know speed is your friend. I probably shouldn't speed check, but I do it anyway for some reason. Probably a "better safe than sorry" mentality. I should work on speed checking only when necessary(entering slow zones and such). I guess I just haven't gotten over the psychological barrier against speed, yet.

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You'll have your ups and downs, but there could be other things at work, too. Slope difficulty is a more complex equation than just what color the powers that be decided to call it. When you start to lose the sun, the temperature can drop quickly, and everything that was friendly slush begins to turn into ice. Another possible variable is that the next mountain over might be facing a different direction, which also affects the intensity of the freeze/thaw cycle. Being narrow, maybe that particular run sees more than its fair share of power pizza/heelside heroes. Fatigue may also have started to set in. Experience (and today counts!) will help you deal with all these things better.
Being after 4pm, it's the time when sunlight begins becoming weaker, I'm sure this had something to do with conditions. There weren't many people, but I did see a few "power pizza" skiers going down those runs. I'm pretty sure I was more tired than I wanted to admit, so I blocked it out and kept going.

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yup, what he said. You might think you should be doing better but as you ride of tracked out lumps/bumps into the day you can actually do worse.

Also, you could have hit a wall with being tired both physically / mentally. Not everyone progresses at the same rate either. Some people a bit more fearless are usually faster at progressing but their accidents are usually a bit more painful and result in more broken bones. People that are a bit more cautious usually progress much less quickly, and can possibly peak at a level a bit lower than a more fearless person - but will likely, on average, suffer less bodily injury.
I'm sure, like I said, I was fatigued. There were other issues, which were also covered, but perhaps I might have been able to overcome them had I been fresher?

I probably fall into the cautious crowd. Sometimes too much so, perhaps?
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One you were tired

Two the conditions turned from soft n slow to hard and fast as the sun went down and the terrain was probably pretty beat up anyway at that point

Don't beat yourself up over it.
I'm definitely not beating myself up over it. Or at least I don't think I am...
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