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post #1 of 2 (permalink) Old 06-25-2016, 10:59 AM Thread Starter
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Why not sleeping through Scince helps you snowboard

Another thing people tend to do is "lock themselves out" .

They tense up all stiff to hold a turn, when they should only have moderate stiffness to allow for reducing resonant vibration in the "man machine" set up.

Resonance is like a tuned stand up bass string. When it is Excited at that frequency it really vibrates with high amplitude..ie a whole lot.

If you take a hard piece of pipe and clamp down hard on that string to try and reduce the vibration on the stand up bass ....all you end up doing is making a giant slide guitar out of a stand up bass.

If instead you mildly sort of firmly press down on the string with soft tissue - you will absorb the vibration...turn it into heat, and not REFLECT as much vibration back into the string.

The bass will go quiet more quickly.

So I teach a technique I learned form an Aikido instructor about using your muscles and " actual control of force " VS "perceived control of force" .

While is personally despise conventional physics and its "monkey simple " approximations so that high schoolers can get it....here goes.

Essentially we are a mass (M) going down a hill and when we turn there is a deceleration of (-A) and that turns into a force (F) which means "you're F'd " if you don't manage the (F) and direct it and the deceleration.

It's the deceleration that can hurt, the acceleration part is the fun part. And "-A" is negative acceleration.

People are deluded into thinking they can out muscle the hill. According to dummy physics F=MA .

Nothing is more intense and abrupt " -A "than an immediate stop.

So "hopping and chopping out" on your heelside or toe side hurts.

People think that in order to stop hopping and chopping out they just need to tense up more. BE A MAN , BE STRONG!. ...is sorta wrong.

Well unfortunately our mass increases with the cube of the linear dimension. Ever wonder why some of the best halfpipe guys are lightweight and small? That's why. They get hurt less because less mass means less tissue breaking force,

Absorbing vibration is the key to powerful riding, not stiffening and reflecting it back to the snow...only to have it reflect back stronger instants later, and repeat.

That's sorta what "Flow" is. Going with the flow, working WITH the forces, quieting and redirecting forces to your advantage .

So back to F=MA. You aren't a rock on a steel inflexible sled going down hill. ...or perhaps you are? Well when going straight ..on smooth snow you are pretty much that.

But when you turn... Everything changes ...in a microsecond.

YOU BECOME A SPRING SYSTEM IN A TURN.

Your board becomes flexible like an archers bow, your bindings also flex, so do your boots, even your bones flex, as well as your joints, your unsprung body mass (for men it might be their beer belly) and for women it could be boobs and belly starts to slosh around.

You become a wobbly spring system that wants to find a vibration to oscillate out of control until you explode...not unlike most positive feedback loops. The force that increases the positive feedback is gravity which feeds the deceleration .

So you can either...go slower. Bah humbug.

Or learn how to manage each aspect of those formerly uncontrollable things separately and then together as a system.


1. You can physically modify your snowboard
2. You can select better bindings
3. You can buy better boots that allow for better articulation which can be tune into vibration absorption by you.
4. You can loose unsprung weight ( fat)
5. You can develop new muscle firmware to utilize better vibration absorption and strength without having to do any extra workout.
6. You can tune your boards edges to reduce high amplitude low frequency vibration while turning.


This might require some thought.

And I'm willing to engage people here as I slowly turn into a mass of white hair IF and only IF people retain their curiosity to think themselves into becoming a better rider instead of just Trial and Error monkey learning.

I'll cover things like the How to flow like a pro , "Gilmour Shock " , and how to pick gear that is intelligently designed.

Be prepared to accept some "wordy tech brain pain". And a lot of what you may learn and apply successfully to your riding will be counter intuitive ...and this will get you to break though the current riding plateau you have been stuck in for years.

Special props to my friend Adam Bolonsky who taught me that learning about snowboarding can come for examining other areas of athletics.

I don't get paid for this here so don't expect instant responses...or for me to be patient .
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Let the games begin!

Let's talk about using muscles to manage force. #5 , I mean why start with #1 when there is no new gear out and no new snow in Colorado.

Step 1.

Find someone about the same size and weight as you. We don't want a 300 lb Norweigan MMA fighter guy paired up with a 80 pound Japanese grandmother with osteoporosis.

Face each other and have one guy ( "Alvin") put his extended arm on the other guys ( "Dave" ) shoulder.

Now Dave should take both his arms and try to bend Alvins arm at the elbow joint in the direction of the natural movement of the joint... Let's not break any arms.

I want Dave to count ( one one thousand two one thousand etc. ) how long it takes to bend Alvin's arm.

Please post your results in seconds and of course switch off to get both peoples times.

When there is enough of a pool of people I'll change the drill and show you different firmware for your approach. And you can post those results. We need a significant number of people interested ...why?

Well it has to be statistically significant... And I'm not going to type a bunch for just 10 people .
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