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How to hold an edge on compacted snow

Hi, I just wanted advice about holding an edge on hard compacted snow, on the flats.

I find that sometimes I can struggle to hold an edge and steer effectively when leaving lifts. or a more painful scenario is: riding over the flats when the snow is compacted an losing a good edge, drifting sideways and catching an edge.. and this is trying to maintain a good speed. I did this the other day and I'm so glad I was wearing a helmet!

Soft snow is no problem where I can can maintain good control.. Am I not putting enough pressure on the front or back foot?

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(I posted a couple of other posts, on other issues.. I hope this is the right thing because the subjects are not the same)
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Main reason for edge catches is your weight in the backseat, so the hind part of your edge is in contact and then all of a sudden the front grips, causing a sidden slam.

Get your weight out of the backseat and control your front edge. Shift weight to your front foot, bend your knees well and let the front edge have contact and have the lead. The hind edge will follow.

That's also your solution to riding steep hardpack. Move your weight to the front, trust your board/edge. Additionally, to get good grip, you need to tilt the board. If you're riding timidly, you don't have tilt and enough pressure on the edge, the board can't help you. If you ride determined and tilt it, get nice pressure on the edge, it'll hold. It's a confidence thing... the more you hesitate, the less the edge will help you.

If I face challenging conditions/runs, I conciously try to focus on the nose of the board and forget abt the hind leg. Front leg bent, weight to the front, nose pointing downhill, quick short half turns. The job of the hind leg is only to quickly finish the turn and follow back to get the nose downhill again. Don't do too long turns which will get you back into the backseat.
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Thanks that sounds like goos advice...

Sometimes on the flat hard pack I seem to find the front edge stays steady and the tail drifts out giving a diagonal slide.

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Main reason for edge catches is your weight in the backseat, so the hind part of your edge is in contact and then all of a sudden the front grips, causing a sidden slam.

Get your weight out of the backseat and control your front edge. Shift weight to your front foot, bend your knees well and let the front edge have contact and have the lead. The hind edge will follow.

That's also your solution to riding steep hardpack. Move your weight to the front, trust your board/edge. Additionally, to get good grip, you need to tilt the board. If you're riding timidly, you don't have tilt and enough pressure on the edge, the board can't help you. If you ride determined and tilt it, get nice pressure on the edge, it'll hold. It's a confidence thing... the more you hesitate, the less the edge will help you.

If I face challenging conditions/runs, I conciously try to focus on the nose of the board and forget abt the hind leg. Front leg bent, weight to the front, nose pointing downhill, quick short half turns. The job of the hind leg is only to quickly finish the turn and follow back to get the nose downhill again. Don't do too long turns which will get you back into the backseat.
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On the flats, you may be keeping your board flat. Depending on the board profile, this might send you immediately into squirrelly behavior. At minimum it reduces control. Even a slight edge will help enormously. So when you're sailing along, try giving the board a slight toe or heel edge, or even opposites front and back. Play with it a bit, and you'll find something that's comfortable and still allows you to keep a straight line.
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Thanks that sounds like goos advice...

Sometimes on the flat hard pack I seem to find the front edge stays steady and the tail drifts out giving a diagonal slide.
that cause you are rotated...probably open and at risk for scorpion/face plant...find the creepy basement vid!
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Too much weight on the back causing the board to rotate. Snowboard is really simple, which side has more weight goes towards down hill.
Plus what wrath said, if you are rotated, this is gonna be even more of a problem.
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As others are saying, you are likely in the backseat. Post a vid so we can see what you are do/not doing. I find riding at very slow speeds a little different from regular riding. You can't really carve or turn the same when going slowly so it might feel weird or different. Don't be afraid of a little flat base riding when going slowly. But being slightly on one edge is better, just takes very subtle pressure. Same for getting off a chair, slight toe or heel pressure and you will perform what is called a "j-turn" but it won't work if you are in the backseat.

Here's an old and cheesy video but it explains j-turns better than any other vid I've seen:



Not sure if this will help you in your specific case but good info regardless. This vid helped me for getting of chairlifts.
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The key to holding edge properly is to create something like a counter balanced pressure:

- When on the toe edge - your shins press on the front of your boots but on the same time you should lightly push your heels down
- When on the heel edge - you calves press to the back of your boots but on the same time you should lightly push your toes down

This will give you much better and more refined control over the edge hold.
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As others are saying, you are likely in the backseat. Post a vid so we can see what you are do/not doing. I find riding at very slow speeds a little different from regular riding. You can't really carve or turn the same when going slowly so it might feel weird or different. Don't be afraid of a little flat base riding when going slowly. But being slightly on one edge is better, just takes very subtle pressure. Same for getting off a chair, slight toe or heel pressure and you will perform what is called a "j-turn" but it won't work if you are in the backseat.

Here's an old and cheesy video but it explains j-turns better than any other vid I've seen:



Not sure if this will help you in your specific case but good info regardless. This vid helped me for getting of chairlifts.
Yes, at low speeds turning is a bit different because you can't really get on the edge so it's more of a skidded turn instead of carve.

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