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Old 04-22-2010, 10:42 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Try to lean carving in my second season.
I feel something wrong but can't tell. Any suggestions?

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YouTube - snowboard practice (try to carving)

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Old 04-22-2010, 10:53 PM   #2 (permalink)
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What is your setup? Kind of hard to tell, but it looks like you are leaning back slightly.

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Old 04-22-2010, 11:09 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Hey maclion,

You are riding well. Keep riding and trying to improve.

The first thing I would fix is your stance. You bend at the waist, you will notice you look hunched in the upper body. To carve effectively you need to be perfectly aligned over your snowboard. This will give you better control and balance. It will also allow for stronger and more controlled edging and pressure control. It's always a good idea to focus on the most obvious and important technique flaws before even looking at anything else. For you, this is STANCE. You might find a small change to your stance will make a big difference.

Please also read the following articles:

Improving Performance

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Carving

If you have any questions or would like me to look at other videos please let me know.
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Old 04-22-2010, 11:16 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Just looking at your video again...

You are also counter-rotated, which means your upper body is working against what your snowboard is trying to do. Your upper body is open and your back hand is trailing out infront of you, especially towards the end of your toeside turns. Stay aligned over your snowboard throughout the turn. Keep your core strong!! Make sure your back hand is behind your bum, not reaching out infront of your body.

This image will help you see the difference:

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What is your setup? Kind of hard to tell, but it looks like you are leaning back slightly.
front 18, rear 6.
Yes, I'm leaning back, cause I just injured my right ankle.
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Old 04-22-2010, 11:46 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Exactly!!! That's my problem. It seems I try to use my back hand to keep balance. Now I know it's inefficient for turning and looks awful. Thanks so much!


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Just looking at your video again...

You are also counter-rotated, which means your upper body is working against what your snowboard is trying to do. Your upper body is open and your back hand is trailing out infront of you, especially towards the end of your toeside turns. Stay aligned over your snowboard throughout the turn. Keep your core strong!! Make sure your back hand is behind your bum, not reaching out infront of your body.

This image will help you see the difference:

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Old 04-23-2010, 12:01 AM   #7 (permalink)
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No problem I'm happy to help.

Make sure you read those articles too.
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Old 04-24-2010, 08:32 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Thanks!!
I'm not sure I understand right. The "retracting you legs" thing, does this look like "cross-under"? If you can give me some video example, it will be very helpful!



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Couple of things....

Pick better terrain to begin to learn true carving. That run is really too narrow for carving at this level. It forces you to not close your turns and therefore you skid a lot through the bottoms of the turns.

Try to pick a run with a similar pitch but a lot wider so that you can initiate your carved turns slower and make longer radius turns and complete them so that you can switch edges when your board is completely across the fall line. Completing your turns will allow you control speed through turn shape and it also sets you up much earlier at the top of the turn. This gets the edge set good so that when you get to the bottom of the turn, where there is a lot more force, it stays locked into the snow without skidding.

Only other thing (besides keeping the upper body open as Officer Shred pointed out) that I see is you are doing an up unweight to switch edges. This is a hard habit to break once it gets started. The reason this can get you into trouble is this technique pops you and the board up off the snow which in a turn can start the skid. A much better technique is a down unweight to initiate the edge change and turn. By basically retracting you legs to allow your upper body to drop, you perform the exact same unweighting movement to help with the edge change, but, you lower your center of gravity and also keep the snowboard in contact with the snow at edge change.

Another positive of doing the down unweight is that is allows you to extend throughout the bottom of the turn. This extension in effect provides additional weight to the edge because you are pushing up against your board. This technique allow better edge hold in hard conditions....
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Today I went to loveland, co and practice the "push and pull" and try to keep my arms and upper body relatively still. I would say, the feeling is fantastic!!I'm far from real push and pull (especially from toe to heel), but I begin to realize how "beautiful" it is. I even got some attentions from other skiers and riders!

Thanks wolf and Shred!!


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Exactly! Instead of "popping" off the snow by rapidly extending to unweight the board, drop down to the board. It takes a while to get used to and to get the timing right (I struggled with this myself all year prepping for the exams). A down unweighting move is really, just a "collapsing" of the legs to rapidly "drop" toward your board. You can think of this as pulling your legs up toward your upper body (many instructor arguments ensue over this whole concept).

Either way you think of it, the mechanics of the movement are basically identical. Instead of pushing yourself off of the snow with a leg extension, briskly drop lower toward your board (and the snow). This has the same unweighting affect as that "pop", but keeps you lower to the snow and more stable. This becomes especially crucial for the steeps where a "pop" will throw you out and away from the slope causing balance problems as well as landing hard on the new edge and possibly causing it to break loose and skid or chatter.

I do not have a carving video created yet, but this one on dynamic skidded turns is a little similar. It is not an ideal demo of the cross under or down unweighted turn as I was not as dynamic as I should have been, but you can get the idea.

YouTube - Dynamic Skidded Turns

Hope that helps you some in any event at visualizing what is supposed to be going on...
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Old 05-03-2010, 12:27 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Just a quick tip on how I reduced my arm movement during riding...

When you get comfortable with your turning/skidding/carving techniques, start riding with your hands on your thighs. You can even grip your pants too. It's really sketchy at first, but this forces you to balance without the use of your hands. There are times when you will sway your arms though. That is unavoidable. But practice will make you keep it to an absolute minimum.
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