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Old 08-25-2010, 03:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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So last year I was throwing 180s comfortably and I ended my season almost getting 360s down. Since then ive ben hitting the gym hard and I've added alot of new muscle. I've toned out alot but now I can't huck a 360 standing anymore ironicly I've lost 20 pounds but I can't huck a 360 from my stance anymore. I can do a 180 from my stance but last season with my boots on I could throw a 360 standing. I think ive gotten too top heavy lifting. Anybody know of anything I can do too improve my hitching before the season starts
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Old 08-25-2010, 03:17 PM   #2 (permalink)
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work you core and do excercises that incorporate the most muscles possible.

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It could be your technique for spinning that is holding you up. Either search the forum on spinning or reply back with how you move your body to spin. My suggestion is try to describe it logically like starting from what your feet do up through your head, etc.

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Old 08-25-2010, 05:31 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks for the links man I hit the gym about 3-5 times a week depending on how busy I am. I'm starting to do more cross training to get ready for the season. Those ab workouts should help me out allot I do a 5 minute abdominal workout everytime I hit the gym. I'll deffineyly work allot of those abb workouts in. My huck is pretty clean I'd say I basicly wind up bring my leading shoulder in toward my back knee. Then I bend my leading knee in and pop up using my calves and I try to land as flat footed as possible. It seems to be good to not get in the habit of landing on my toes and landing flat footed instead. Sound good?
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Bulk up your lower body instead of your upper body. What the hell do you need your arms for snowboarding besides balance anyways :P. I ride a road bicycle, mountain bike, and hike alott during the summer/fall so this season especially my legs should be tough as nails. Not a big fan of the Gym, I would rather be out doing something. If you want to look bulky the Gym is certainly the way to go though.
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Old 08-25-2010, 10:17 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Thanks for the advice wolf. But Hey man im working out my legs. I work them out every thursday I do 100 yards of lunges with a 60 pound bar bell on my back. I also squat 300 pounds and dead lift 200. Id say I work out my legs the hardest and on top of all that I do organized jump workouts to build explosiveness in my calves. Im not a meat head with huge arms that never works on his legs. Im just super bummed I cant do a 360 just from a regular jump anymore. Im thinking i need to get more height in my jumping and work on the side core muscles that help you with that explosiveness in your wind up.
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I am no body builder or fitness expert by any means so this is just a lay person`s question. Could bulking up actually hinder your agility? It seems to me that some of the most fluid, limber and light on their feet "athletes" are these tiny ice skaters and dancers. With bulking up through body building, you increase mass. The more mass you have, the more energy it requires to get that mass moving. Kind of like the difference between getting a race car moving and a loaded semi. Sure the semi has more horsepower, but it takes a loooooong time to get it all moving. Maybe this applies to riding too; I would think there is a "sweet spot" between muscles mass and agility.

Like I said, not posted as an argument against your position, just thinking out loud about the subject.
Ohh no wolf my reply on working out my legs was directed at hobo master. My bad man haha thanks though for given me some advice. Im not bulking up im honestly doing low weight high rep workouts trying to build natural overall body strength so I can tone out. Im switching my leg workouts now toward doing more cross training. The way I see it if I can build muscle memory stop doing jumps and rotations that will make my learning curve shorter
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Number one, you need to let the board help you generate much of your rotation through proper use of edging. A very slight carve off of the hit will do the trick

wolf nailed it right off the bat. above is the only thing you need to do really.
working out your core will only benefit your overall riding... but for a 360, especially if you were already capable of doing them, you really dont need to be in great physical shape
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Old 09-03-2010, 09:43 AM   #8 (permalink)
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definitely follow Snowolf's advice. it sounds like you probably have more of a technique problem then a muscle problem.
Limberness could be throwing up a minor roadblock but highly unlikely on 3's, and if you get into the gym.

You mentioned landing on a flatboard all the time. take the time to check out the pro's when they ride down and throw rotations. Check out how they typically "block-off" there rotation after starting it and keep there head/eyes moving around spotting their rotation.

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I suggest practicing in front of a mirror and have a line drawn(tape or seam on floor works too,etc.) on the floor. Start by trying your 3 your normal way. Pay attention to how much effort you are expanding and if possible if you have any body parts that are moving opposite of the way your are spinning. If you do stop them. Next thin to look at is your spin flat or angled? If it is angle chances are you will have a off axis spin on a jump and landing it could be interesting. Next try to expand less energy for the overall spin by concentrating on the energy release in your pre-wind, and how you are spotting you landing. Keep this up by trying to make your pre-wind smaller and smaller. Remember you are not gliding forward and be boosted into the air by a jump so if you land a couple degree short of a 360 no big thin as long as your aren't landing 270. And if you are sadistic do these as part of a burpee.

P.S. remember to keep your feet apart at all times similar to your board stance. to help this you can hold a foam piece between your ankles(or taped) I do not recommend a block of wood, but something flex so that you don't screw up your ankles.

P.S.2 - you can up the difficulty and body awareness by jumping off, over, and onto various items. I like using the bosu ball flipped upside down for this.

P.S.3 - cause I like this stuff look for exercises that target your "fast" twitch muscle.
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Working out is a good thing, because a) working your muscles causes your body to increase bone density, which is obviously a good thing, b) toned muscles are less likely to tear and can take more of the impact force, sparing your bones, c) working out increases endurance, especially the low-weight high-rep exercises. Just don't forget to stretch. Working with weights tends to shorten your range of motion otherwise.

If you have to choose between working with weights or stretching, go with stretching.
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It's called commitment... Yeah I know we are all afraid of it from time to time. That is all it is! It has nothing to do with how fit you are or aren't... If you were talking 7's or above, I agree your fitness level is important. But pretty much anybody out there can do a three if they just commit to edging and keeping your eyes and shoulders moving in the direction you want to spin. The body follows the eyes start with that and turning your head. Feel that turning your shoulders in the same direction and feel you hips and core doing the same... Visualize and it will happen...
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