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post #1 of 27 (permalink) Old 11-19-2010, 12:37 PM Thread Starter
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noob problem- toe to heel again?

So I've only been snowboarding three times. The first time I broke my wrist, the second time was at the end of the season so I chose to just have fun with the falling leaf thing rather than frustrating myself trying to learn something new, and the third time was the beginning of this season. I went out determined to master turning from my heels to my toes, but I didn't anticipate trouble getting back to my heel again.
Basically I typically end up swooping up in some sort of a u-turn that doesn't leave me enough room to try to even out again.
I know I have problems keeping my weight forward and stupid fear of speed, so I'm working on those things. I've also gathered from reading other threads that I should be using more subtle shifts of the hips to turn rather than leaning(?), but I was wondering if anyone else has some advice I can keep in mind for next time.
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One tip that really helped me link turns when i was starting out was to pivot/rotate your front knee in the direction you want to turn. So like rotate your front knee inward to turn toeside and outward to go heelside. Not sure how proper that is, but it really worked for me.
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And once you get that down, atleast for me an easy way to learn to carve back and forth was to do the following(I ride regular, not goofy).
Also please correct me if this is bad form Snowolf you know better

For toe side, push your shins into the tongue of your boot. This generally forces you to squat slightly so you dont straight leg it...and puts you on your toe edge. Then when you want to go heel side you basically sit your ass down abit more, which causes you to swap to your heel. Obviously the more extreme you do these movements the sharper the cut will be, eventually you kind of find an equalibrium where you just kind of go through each motion minutely on either side so it doesnt look like your standing and squatting going down the mountain

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Also lift your toes up during heelside turns =)
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learning how to snowboard from reading posts is like learning how to play basketball from reading posts.

Do yourself a favor and take a lesson from a certified instructor.

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learning how to snowboard from reading posts is like learning how to play basketball from reading posts.

Do yourself a favor and take a lesson from a certified instructor.
You mean like Snowolf? LOL

Taking it with an instructor is good yes, but they are just going to say exactly what he says. It's not like going to an instructor they download their abilities onto you, they will just say the same thing Snowolf typed and tell you to keep practicing

And if your doing something blatantly wrong they can assist you with it.

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These guys do a good job(imo as being a snowboarding noob) at explain things:
http://www.snowprofessor.com/
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You mean like Snowolf? LOL

Taking it with an instructor is good yes, but they are just going to say exactly what he says. It's not like going to an instructor they download their abilities onto you, they will just say the same thing Snowolf typed and tell you to keep practicing

And if your doing something blatantly wrong they can assist you with it.

Do you teach snowboarding? There are very good reasons for a beginner to go to an instructor over just reading stuff over the internet.

From what i've seen of snowolf's writing, he seems to be an extremely proficient instructor, and i would totally recommend him for lessons.

But on the internet, i can't see what the person is doing wrong, where their weight is, and how they are moving. A real, live instructor will be able to see and respond to the problem, not just talk.

And more importantly, they can demonstrate the 'proper' technique for the student, lead them through the movement, and give them feedback when they try it. We can't do that over the intertubes.

For advanced rides who have very specific questions about stuff, i think you can explain that pretty well just over the internet. But for beginners who haven't spent much time on a board, and may have trouble visualizing all the advice they are getting, i totally recommend that people like that just get a lesson.

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I think the main thing here is that we are not suggesting that the advice given here should be used as a replacement for a lesson but rather as an additional resource. Like you said, Nothing is going to replace the feedback a qualified instructor can give you in person. But asking about a technique, even if its just about linking turns can only help you out more when you go to the hill. Reading about the correct technique can help certain people visualize whats going on and i don't see how that's a bad thing. As arsenic said at least 80% of the time the average instructor is just going to tell you the same the thing and if you have already heard that its going to help you.
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Imho, take lessons; but from a learning theory, you want to involve or integrate several approachs or pathways. Each person has their perferred way they learn. So there is book or reading...which is great to become familar with concepts. Visual seeing it done but you want a good example...and beginners usually don't know a good rider from a poor one. Auditory or hearing, instructions, e.g. "now swing your knee forward toward the nose". Also there is kinetic learning...by physically doing it. And there is the affective or emotional feedback/encouragement/support of pointing out what they are doing well...(don't point out what they are doing wrong...but what they are doing right/well and how they might improve) Anyway a good instructor should be able to present the general theory of how it works, how the board is effected by isolated body movement, show (visual) how this works; have the student practice the body movement (perhaps on and off the board), give isolated verbal instructions while they are on the board and positive vibes/stokage so the student can experience what success is (sometimes its hard to know when you are succeeding...example...when learning and it feels that you are going too fast...anxiety/fear takes over...so you slow down and don't have enough speed to link a turn and fall over thinking you failed...but in truth you are suceeding in that you need some speed to make linked turns...so the instructor can normalize or reframe the "anxiety/fear of speed" into that's normal and what you want...you need some speed...and then you just swing or drive your leading knee to turn)and thus can isolate/internalize the correct form/movement and experience the improvement/suceeding. I think a cool thing about snowboarding is that the feedback is immediate, i.e., crashing or shreding.

Some truth..."arsenic said at least 80% of the time the average instructor is just going to tell you the same"...the salient point is "average instructor (?=poor)"...but a good instructor will do much more than tell you the same thing.


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