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Old 11-30-2010, 10:09 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I've been boarding 7 or 8 times. I did have a day lesson last spring when I started.

I'm progressing pretty well, starting to pick up the "dynamic" riding style, alternating from heelside to toeside every second or so pretty smoothly, and can make it down a blue without too many wipeouts, or without any at all in some cases.

The one thing I really struggle with, and is causing me the most fear after a really nasty fall last week, is a simple straight-forward glide.

Almost every single time I pick up any speed, I catch an edge (almost always heel side) and fall flat on my back. Hard and sudden. Like I've hit a rock or something.

Last time this happened I slammed into packed snow/ice and nearly got a concussion. Luckily I wear a helmet, but I hit hard enough to slam my helmet forward, into my sunglasses, which split open the bridge of my nose. Not pretty. I was standing in line at Starbucks afterwards, with a bloody face and didn't even know it

I'm wary enough of this that I rarely keep up enough speed on catwalks to make it between trails, or at the bottom of runs, and end up having to walk or skate the rest of the way. Or, I keep a slight angle of attack to the right, with a little pressure on my toe side - which also keeps my speed limited.

Could this be an issue with the board or bindings setup? It's just a cheap Morrow board, Burton bindings. Maybe I just need more practice. My balance is decent, I'm aware of the edges, I can do connected turns with relative ease on a gentle slope. But just one tiny bit of weight shifted to my heelside on a relatively flat, straight run, or riding up to the lift line, and I'm on my butt.

Added note that might mean something - when I'm gliding with my back foot free and on the stomp pack (as in getting of a lift), the board will almost always try to turn heelside, without a lot of pressure on my front toes, with the tail of the board trying to come around.

Open to any advice/suggestions or similar experience.

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I've been boarding 7 or 8 times. I did have a day lesson last spring when I started.

I'm progressing pretty well, starting to pick up the "dynamic" riding style, alternating from heelside to toeside every second or so pretty smoothly, and can make it down a blue without too many wipeouts, or without any at all in some cases.

The one thing I really struggle with, and is causing me the most fear after a really nasty fall last week, is a simple straight-forward glide.

Almost every single time I pick up any speed, I catch an edge (almost always heel side) and fall flat on my back. Hard and sudden. Like I've hit a rock or something.

Last time this happened I slammed into packed snow/ice and nearly got a concussion. Luckily I wear a helmet, but I hit hard enough to slam my helmet forward, into my sunglasses, which split open the bridge of my nose. Not pretty. I was standing in line at Starbucks afterwards, with a bloody face and didn't even know it

I'm wary enough of this that I rarely keep up enough speed on catwalks to make it between trails, or at the bottom of runs, and end up having to walk or skate the rest of the way. Or, I keep a slight angle of attack to the right, with a little pressure on my toe side - which also keeps my speed limited.

Could this be an issue with the board or bindings setup? It's just a cheap Morrow board, Burton bindings. Maybe I just need more practice. My balance is decent, I'm aware of the edges, I can do connected turns with relative ease on a gentle slope. But just one tiny bit of weight shifted to my heelside on a relatively flat, straight run, or riding up to the lift line, and I'm on my butt.

Open to any advice/suggestions or similar experience.
When you straight line, ride with a very very slight edge. Not too much to the point you're turning and you'll be sure not to catch a edge. Is your board a traditional camber board? It's usually easier to do with a rocker board.
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Camber, yeah, not a rocker.

I have found a slight amount of toe pressure helps.
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Old 11-30-2010, 10:35 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Just work at it. I'm sure you'll find a technique yourself that will help you stay stable. Next time you go, try doing a squat on the board with your hands behind your back with your body hanging slightly over the front of your board, and ride straight. I know it looks dumb, but it works.
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Some searching here and on google for "catching an edge" reinforce what you're saying. I found a couple pretty big threads here on the topic, so I guess I'm not alone.

All those riders flying by me on the flats, are keeping a slight edge, even though they look like their board is flat. Then it's a matter of keeping a straight line with shoulder position. I will keep working on it (Keystone or A-Basin this weekend), and try what you suggested. It'd be nice to not have to walk 50 feet to the lifts at the bottom of every run Thanks much!
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If you let up completely on putting pressure on either side, you are liable to catch an edge because the board is wandering back and forth between each side. Once you have good edge control, you can feel edge catches coming on and can adjust your weight properly to prevent wipeouts. Until then however, you will need to always be putting pressure on one side or the other, albeit just a little bit. By keeping just a little bit of weight on one side, it will keep the board from wandering and jerking you in the other direction.

On traditional cambered boards this is essential because the board wants to ride on one side or the other, on reverse/hybrid cambered boards this isn't so much of a problem because the board has less contact points(?).
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I see some people mention detuning - my board is cheap, and has pretty sharp edges, I have no problems carving and digging in (when I WANT to), and it is new as of last year. Would a slight detune be worth trying?
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Well, On my board I just completely flat base it. haha. I added more rocker to my board and it's super stable when I'm riding flat. OR maybe I am just subconsciously on an edge.
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1. Don't wear sunglasses. Use a goggle. They are much softer.

2. Of course you can ride flat. Relax, stand in the middle of the board and go lower in the knees. Relax. Let the board to its thing. If you feel its turning away from the fall line, apply pressure on the hill side part of your bindings. Not too much, just enough so you don't catch the edge. Apply pressure with your back foot first, then the front. Bring the board back into the fall line with a smooth slow rotation initiated by the speed and force (slow and small) of the pressure you applied.


3. Relax. Be aware of the fall line always. This is the line your board would go if it had no rider and you pushed it down the mountain. Go that direction when you ride straight. You can't force it, the mountain will always own you.

Have fun duuude!
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What do you mean by adding more rocker?
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