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theusername 12-27-2010 10:45 PM

Skidded Turns vs. Carving
So I spent three days near a mountain here and it was only the second trip I've made to the mountain so far. I went once the week before (for only one day) and attempted a simple green run, only to spend the whole time on my heel edge. It was pretty pathetic >__<

Luckily, these three days I managed to get some amazing teachers (I took an hour and a half lesson each day) and by the first day I was linking turns down the blues. On the second day, I was making the whole motion more "fluid". I would go down on my heel edge, slow myself down a bit by getting a bit more perpendicular to the hill, and change into my toe edge. Then I'd do the same, slowing down and going back to my heel edge. I started getting it a bit better to the point where I could get myself to slow down in a less "extreme" way (less perpendicular to the hill).

It felt good so I'm guessing it was good, and my brother said he saw me from a lift and said I looked like a guy who we were with the week before who had been snowboarding for years and years. So I'm guessing that's a good sign :)

But on the third day, I got a lesson where the person I was with told me the turns I was making were called skidded turns. He said they weren't bad, but he wanted to teach me to carve. He didn't explain it very well and I'm still not sure what the difference is between skidded turns and carving. After listening to him for that hour and a half I basically took from the lesson that carving is going across the hill without slowing myself down (like I did in my skidded turns) and that the tail always has to follow the nose (so skidding ruins that pattern because the tail is no longer in line with the nose).

So I kind of got better at it, but I'm still not so comfortable with it, and the worst part is, I'm not sure if I'm doing it right. I'm afraid to go so fast because... it just feels so wrong. I guess that feeling will go away in time.

I was watching a video of a skidded turn earlier to see how I could improve and move into carving, and so I watched Snow Wolf's video here YouTube - Dynamic Skidded Turns

In the first 40 seconds he makes skidded turns down the hill, apparently. But those look like carves to me. Do I have the wrong idea of what carving is, then? The tail follows the nose in his turns and I don't see skidding, so am I wrong or is the video wrong? I'm thinking that I'm wrong, because Snow Wolf knows his stuff.

Basically what I need is an explanation of what carving is and any tips on moving from skidded turns into carving.

Extremo 12-28-2010 02:29 PM

Carving is def something that takes a lot of practice. I ride pretty much only park so I really don't have an edge on my board and I just skid around everywhere. I got my misfit sharpened and ready for some big mountain ripping but found my edges grip so tight my body doesn't really know what's going on. I'm not sure if I really want to spend any time out of the park so I probably won't be learning this stuff anytime soon. But it makes me look at true carving with a new perspective for sure.

rasmasyean 12-28-2010 06:33 PM

Carving is like riding a rollercoaster. When you cut a good carve, you should feel your legs burn and it feels like you weight 3 times more.

Grizz 12-28-2010 07:08 PM

Carving board with a skidding body, damn Euros:D. Killer edge angle.

haffajappa 12-28-2010 08:32 PM

this is a good thread because i had the same questions!
i was quite proud of myself when, by my 4th or 5th time on the mountain my boyfriend said i was getting pretty good at carving.

but i'm not entirely sure i'm doing the true definition of carving.. i've seen comments float around about how people think they're carving but they're really not, and i guess that's me.

though i'm still a beginner i can make it down the greens and blues pretty decently i just don't know if i'm making the proper fluent motion down the hill :dunno:

Grizz 12-28-2010 08:44 PM


Originally Posted by haffajappa (Post 349905)
i'm not entirely sure i'm doing the true definition of carving

Congrats on linking turns down the hill. I'm sure your BF is stoked.

It's easy to tell if you are carving. If you look back up the hill at your track, do you see a line thinner than the width of your board or one that is wider? If you are truly carving your track won't be wider than the boards width.

Karasene 12-28-2010 09:02 PM

haha nice video.
I have yet to see someone carve like that. I think its funny that its a groomer tho.. if I were dreaming about extreame carving I wouldn't be dreaming about groomers.

Snowolf yours is nice too :)

rasmasyean 12-28-2010 09:02 PM

It takes a lot of leg power, balance and form to do what that video is doing (even with the right equipment) but if you look at his trail in the slo mos, you can see that it's a thin line. He doesn't "skid" his snowboard. At high enough G's in a high speed turn, the sidecut as well as the board bends making it sort of like a U-shaped ice skate. This cuts into the snow and digs a little track for this U-skate to ride along. He doesn't throw that much snow for his speed because the only snow comming out of the ground is from that tip digging out a thin "slot" along the path. If it was a skid at that speed, it would look like a tidal wave. Good carvers also end their turn by "boosting" themselves into the next turn when the board "snaps back" like a spring. It's supposed to be possible to gain speed this way and is a method racers try to perfect.

Anyways, more down to earth, you can carve bigger raduis turns without laying on the ground like them. You just have to be wary not to skid. The more you skid, the louder your boarding is because you're scraping the snow. So you can listen to yourself as you ride and can tell when you are carving by that if you don't want to stop and look up.

If you want to get "closest" to that video without hardbooting, you can use a more "forward" stance so you can square up your shoulders almost like you're facing forward like those dudes. When I was into it, I did 30 15 (or 45 30, I forget) and I had a directional sort of stiff board which helps. Then you can pretty much lean more or so "left and right" and it will turn by itself if you balance correctly. At some cases I was able to go sightly "uphill" before transitioning to a new turn too...but you have to go fast and if you slip, you might just fly into the trees in the side. :p

Grizz 12-28-2010 09:29 PM


Originally Posted by rasmasyean (Post 349926)
At some cases I was able to go sightly "uphill" before transitioning to a new turn too...but you have to go fast and if you slip, you might just fly into the trees in the side. :p

Speaking of uphill carving, have you ever tried a carved 360?

rasmasyean 12-28-2010 09:31 PM


Originally Posted by Grizz (Post 349947)
Have you ever tried a carved 360? Takes a lot of speed.

I thought that would be cool, but I did actually fly into the trees trying! :laugh:

I've never seen that. Are you saying you can do it?

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