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Old 01-16-2011, 02:57 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I don't know if rockers and carving on ice were meant to go together. It's a "wrong tool for the job" thing.
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Old 01-16-2011, 08:38 PM   #12 (permalink)
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The best "all around" board in my opinion is a mid stiff camber/rocker combo board. I personally prefer the traditional camber between the feet with early rise rocker tip and tail. My Rossignol Angus with the Amptek has really impressed me with its ability to provide all of the benefit of a rocker in powder and slush, yet has the edge hold on ice due to the camber between the bindings. I do not like the feel of C2 that has the rocker between the feet and camber tip and tail. It feels less agile on ice to me.

Still, when it gets bullet proof or crud with death cookies, I break out my Atomic Radon which is as stiff as a railroad tie and has razor sharp edges with only a .5 bevel. It will catch an edge and slam you the second you get sloppy with it, but the bitch will carve a turn on the hardest, blue ice there is. Rockers are great for many things but I don`t see conventional camber ever being fully replaced.
Are you liking the Magne-traction on the Angus? I've been eyeing up a Rossignol Experience and I've read some comments that the MT is too "catchy."

And hows the damping in our heavy, wet crud?
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Old 01-16-2011, 11:57 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Are you liking the Magne-traction on the Angus? I've been eyeing up a Rossignol Experience and I've read some comments that the MT is too "catchy."
Another reason why I HATED my board the first day... rode on as wolf said "bullet proof" ice and crud night rding on a new set up with magna traction. my edges kicked the shit out of me a few times. It was 10x more catchy. But as soon as I got the feel for it I was like "holy shit this thing works!" it suddenly felt like my snowboard had 4 wheel drive. Its awesome. If you ride ice its a must in my opinion.
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Old 01-17-2011, 12:59 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Another reason why I HATED my board the first day... rode on as wolf said "bullet proof" ice and crud night rding on a new set up with magna traction. my edges kicked the shit out of me a few times. It was 10x more catchy. But as soon as I got the feel for it I was like "holy shit this thing works!" it suddenly felt like my snowboard had 4 wheel drive. Its awesome. If you ride ice its a must in my opinion.
Interesting. The Jones Flagship version (similar to the Rossi Exp.) uses a "mellow magne-traction," which sounds like a milder construct designed intentionally to decrease the catchiness. I don't ride ice very often but I can see how it would be useful.
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Old 01-17-2011, 06:13 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Are you liking the Magne-traction on the Angus? I've been eyeing up a Rossignol Experience and I've read some comments that the MT is too "catchy."

And hows the damping in our heavy, wet crud?
Are those RC boards that have the MTX that are "catchy"? Because when I heard of that I was thinking it may (or also) have to do with the RC. Becauce RC initiates into turns faster so if you're not used to it, you'd be expecting a "delay", but then it "hooks" you. I found this is prevalent when doing cross under turns in packed.

But also, many different RC shapes are out there now so it would depend on the board I guess.

Maybe what you can do is detune the tip and tail extending a little past the first seration in the MTX board. This way the "second seration" is the one that would be "hookey" if anything and by that time you would have been deeper into your turn. Pretty much similar to how a non-MTX detuned edge would behave.

But if you implement this tune, of course it might not be as overall grippy on ice. Just like with a regular camber board, you would loose that bite at the curved tip-to-sidecut-transition. Though with MTX, you would theoretically have 5 more (instead of 7) so it's not that big of a tradeoff. And with a BTX, the board should take advantage of this because as they say "it rides more between the bindings than out towards the ends like camber"....hence the "skateboard feel" (well not exactly, imo, but I guess more skateboardy than camber a bit).

But the overall effect of RC anyway is that it "spins" more easily so whether on ice or powder, you will have to get used to the different fore-aft balance because it just wants to spin. Which is also why it's easier for beginners because it "helps" initiate turns. With that said, on steep ice, you need to be more aware of edging more towards the middle than rely on the tip and tail of a cambered board holding your weight...hence it will "feel shorter".

Personally, I found that MTX grips real well on ice and at slower speeds, you can carve on it like an ice skate pretty easily. But on hard pack carving, you feel the serations vibrating your board, thought it still holds well.

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Old 01-17-2011, 10:50 AM   #16 (permalink)
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The Angus does not have magnatraction. It is really a very nice 50/50 split between a conventional camber board and a rocker. The edge hold comes from the traditional camber between the bindings and the float and forgiveness of nearly catch free riding comes from the rocker at tip and tail.

The Angus is a great board for the PNW! It is a medium stiff flex both torsionally and longitudinally and has really good medium to high dampening. The thing excells in our wet, sticky, heavy mashed taters! It does lack compared to a traditional camber on ice though but the edge forgiveness makes it a decent ride once you get used the fact that is a bit more pivot to it at speed. You have to get pretty sloppy to catch an edge even on ice.
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Old 01-17-2011, 05:55 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Simple solution to MTX being "too catchy." Detune your edges. You still get the 7 contact points so you won't lose the ice performance while gaining less catchiness.
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Old 01-17-2011, 09:29 PM   #18 (permalink)
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not usre I can add great detail, but I love how my LibTech with Magnatraction handles in icey conditions.
Here in the Midwest lots of manmade snow, tons of traffic and some warm days ,things can get hard and icey fast. I am able to dig right in and I feel more comfortable than my order conventional board in these conditions.
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Old 01-18-2011, 02:29 AM   #19 (permalink)
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just to keep myself dedicated to one thread.. and it sort of applies... so


today I went to the park, (yesterday MLK day, I work overnight) and hit my first few boxes... and actually rode away without falling once... no catches or anything... but I assume my biggest question ( i just did 50/50's I guess? ) when doing a boardslide is my edge on my k2 www rocker going to catch that box? because if it is I'm going to use my helmet when I try it...

Also, I knocked a skier on his ass and got him kicked off the hill today... he kept fucking stabbing my board with his poles... AND FUCKING LAUGHING ABOUT IT... WTF

So now I have a bunch of indentations next to my binding and that guy just gets a hit to his pride for the fact that he pretty much took his wife down with him and almost the rest of his group... So...FUCK!!! that pissed me off so much. I would have beat the shit out of him with his ski but that would have definitely landed me without a hill like that douche.
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Old 01-18-2011, 07:19 AM   #20 (permalink)
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I haven't had the courage to boardslide yet. I did successfully do many frontside boardslides which are done with rotation and back to a 50/50 without catching an edge. I think you would be more prone to catch on a rail rather than a box but no expert here.

I say yes to the helmet. One your trying totally new tricks with material that WILL hurt if you hit it. Two I always were a helmet, you don't mean to get slammed thats why it's an accident.

Sorry to hear about your board, I would have said something after the 1st one. You are able to tell if it was not purposely done or an accident. After the 2nd intentional tap of the pole I would have been much more aggressive in my handling of it verbally. I have yet to run across anyone one like this but I see from the posts here they are out there, why, no idea. Why be a ass to a total stanger just because he's on a snowboard, makes no sense.....
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