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Old 01-14-2011, 05:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Moguls! I wish you a painful melt in summer!!

I've gone up about 7 times now and able to go decently fast without falling, and I'm able to link my turns with ease... I feel confident on the board, and able to stop, brake and control my speed and descent....

I'm starting to play around with steeper terrain, and when it's not too bumpy I'm able to change directions and control my descent (dynamic turns) but when I encounter a steep terrain with moguls I have a hard time and lose balance when I go over the bumps. So then I end up heel siding it until it becomes flat again....

Any tricks to navigate them easier...? I have a feeling like they aren't ment to be friendly to snowboarders...
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Old 01-14-2011, 06:13 PM   #2 (permalink)
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No, their not. Snowboards simply do not work on moguls like skies do. The only way to navigate moguls on a board is to check your speed and basically navigate back and forth between the LOW spots in the humps. Imagine all the moguls are a bunch of canyons right. you want to stay at the bottom of the crevice, rather then riding up on top of the canyon.

Ideally you never actually get on top of a hump, you just navigate around them. Ultimately, moguls are not a fun part of snowboarding, and is part of the reason snowboarders dislike skiers, because skiers make them by doing quick short turns back and forth.

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Old 01-14-2011, 06:39 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Moguls in general are usually tough for snowboarders. It’s because you don’t usually get the time to set up your turn and stuff and the variable terrain throws off our speed. In general, you have to plan your turns or 2 or 3 ahead. Even then, you often get only a brief moment to make your turn.

The way I do it is I used a technique called “counter-rotation”. I stick my arms out and rotate them in the opposite direction of the board rotation. Because “Newtons 3rd law: Every action has an equal and opposite reaction”, it enables the board to rotate a lot faster, especially when you are ”unweighted” from the ground, i.e. your full weight is not pressing on the ground. You can even pre-twist your body/arms to gain a larger range of board rotation/skid-force (assuming you edge it properly).

If you want to try this, do this exercise on small incline slope first and then steeper. Put your arms out, go straight down and rotate them CCW as you rotate the board CW…and try CW/CCW. Go slow at first until you are used to it. You can experiment with pre-twist: put your arms out a little CW instead of tip-tail aligned, then rotate them MORE CCW as you rotate your board MORE CW. When you are better, you can “link” them back to back without having to go straight. When you are used to this, you can try it in the moguls. And then instead of the gradual dynamic turns, you will be pretty much slashing around to make your turns between the moguls. Also, you can experiment with concentrating more of your weight (around 70%) on your lead foot (i.e. tail-unweighting), and it will alow your tail to "swing" easily.

This video is the best example I can find but I think I’m a bit stiffer when I do them myself personally. I think I can beat him in a mogul race though. You can see his lead arm do left hooks and back hands, while is rear arm does karate chops.


Here's another one with wider moguls, but you can notice a similar maneuver when he's doing quick turns.


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Old 01-14-2011, 07:14 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I actually love riding moguls, but they definitely take a lot more out of you on a board than skis. Ruddering is bad technique on regular slopes but I've found that it helps a ton on moguls. Just keep your weight forward, and lift and throw the board with your back foot. I don't do it on every turn, but it does help on some of the real tight ones.

Nothing like flying past the skiers on 'their' terrain!
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Nothing worse than doing a blind air into a mogul field.
I just ride them like a bunch of banked turns. It's all about timing and looking ahead. They definitely make you a better rider once you master them.
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I'm learning to love them!

Once I learned to work the moguls rather than letting them work me, it got a lot better. I don't know what AASI or CASI terminology is, but basically I push or pull the tip or the tail up or down rather than letting it just passively ride up or down. Rather like a ski racer "pre-jumps" in a downhill race rather than letting themselves get launched. My knees and legs are already absorbing the impact before it even starts or, at least, that's what it feels like. It's a freakin' workout, though

If I can control my speed with some skidded turns so that my reaction time matches how fast the moguls are coming at me, then I can look 2 or 3 moguls ahead, plan my route and keep it all under control. Then I really enjoy them.
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Ultimately, moguls are not a fun part of snowboarding, and is part of the reason snowboarders dislike skiers, because skiers make them by doing quick short turns back and forth.
If it was a snowboarding only hill, and assuming all the riders had sufficient ability to link turns, you would still get them.
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I don't know what AASI or CASI terminology is, but basically I push or pull the tip or the tail up or down rather than letting it just passively ride up or down.
Independent leg action + fore/aft movements.
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If it was a snowboarding only hill, and assuming all the riders had sufficient ability to link turns, you would still get them.
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The way I do it is I used a technique called “counter-rotation”. I stick my arms out and rotate them in the opposite direction of the board rotation.
In the bumps I try to keep my body stable and quiet and let my legs steer the board into a countered relationship with my body (like video 2).

What you are describing looks like video 1. Whacky ass.


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Also, you can experiment with concentrating more of your weight (around 70%) on your lead foot (i.e. tail-unweighting), and it will alow your tail to "swing" easily.
No thanks, that's one of the major flaws in my riding I'm trying to clean up.


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Here's another one with wider moguls, but you can notice a similar maneuver when he's doing quick turns.
It might just be me, but these riders looks very different from each other.
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