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Old 01-30-2011, 10:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Stance advice for riding switch, should I center my directional board?

Just read through some great threads with advice on riding switch. Here they are below if people are interested.

http://www.snowboardingforum.com/tip...ie-switch.html

http://www.snowboardingforum.com/tip...ggestions.html

http://www.snowboardingforum.com/tip...rn-switch.html

http://www.snowboardingforum.com/tip...ps-switch.html

So at the end of last season, which was my second full season, I just finally got my board, bindings and stance all worked out for feeling great riding regular. Pretty comfortable on most blues and many blacks, but no jumps or park type stuff. So then, this past weekend, what do my wife and I decide to do? start learning to ride switch. It was extremely hard at first. Wiped it at every heel to toe turn. But really fun. Finally at the end of the second day after falling more than all of last season combined, I was able to ride a short green from start to finish switch. But, that is going ridiculously slow, and the toe turn is still really hard to initiate, I find myself willing it mentally. Then after dinner, and two beers, we rode a little more and I found it really easy to do 180's going from regular to switch and back (essentially by doing this I am avoiding the heel to toe turn). Also it was pretty easy to do really slow clockwise and counterclockwise 360's, but they really break the speed. Again it was on the really easy bunny slope. A great weekend progression wise. I decided to look into things a little more and I found out that my board is directional, for some reason I thought it wasn't. Also my stance isn't exactly symmetric duck.

So my question is do people usually center their directional board when they start to add switch riding to their arsenal? Or do they leave it be? Here's my stats below:

burton custom ICS 162W,
cartel bindings EST,
boot - size 12
duck stance +18/-6,
22" wide stance
bindings set in the reference points which give about 1 inch setback
5'10", 190 pounds

I guess possible tweaks I could make are to bump my front and back bindings forward a little. Or I could leave the back foot where it is and bump the front forward a full inch. Also make my stance more symmetric. The next big goal, is I'd like to be able to do jumps and then work grabs and 180s and 360s into jumps.

The custom is always touted as an all around great board for everything, so I was surprised that the standard stance settings has almost an inch setback. Do people typically push this forward an inch in order to ride switch more comfortably? I really don't want to buy a new board, so I'm just going to ride this as long as I can.

I'll go through all the adjustments and trial and error anyway, but was just looking for some advice from people that have already gone through riding switch experience. How much did you have to change your directional board to make it work?
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Old 01-31-2011, 12:19 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Best bet is to leave your angle and width where it is, since you're already used to riding that way and just center your stance. Riding switch on a directional board works.
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Old 01-31-2011, 08:52 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Okay, I can see how this would have the least negative impact on my riding, and having less board behind me while riding switch, will definitely make it easier to turn. I'll think I'll move them forward a half inch each, to avoid setting them too far forward. That's what is nice about the channel, I'm not limited to holes in the board.

I have pretty short legs, so I think I would notice a wider stance a lot.

So most people that ride switch go with centered stance? I can see this helping. I'll just have to get use to having a little more board behind me riding regular.
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Old 01-31-2011, 09:46 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Its good that you are trying to learn switch early on. I have been snowboarding over a decade, mastered foward carving, but didn't seriously start to switch ride until that last two seasons. Wish I had done it sooner so there is not such a huge discrepancy between my regular and switch riding.

I use to be foward stance, but now that I switch, I'm ducked at +15, -9. I'm slightly set back, as I don't feel centering makes a huge difference in switch riding. When I used to be +30, +15 foward stance, switch was really awkward.

Keep your settings the way and they are and just keep practicing switch. No amount of advice will make you a better switch rider. You just need to go out and ride switch as much as you can until the muscle memory kicks in. Its learning to snowboard all over again.
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For me the trick was going to the kids hill, and just going fakie. Go really fast and just do what you would do on your regular side.

You will quickly get that: "Ohhhh, ok nice" moment.
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Old 01-31-2011, 04:14 PM   #6 (permalink)
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@pencap so how far back is a little setback, a full inch? I hadn't realized that is what my board has, or I would have tried moving it up a little this past weekend. I'll see this coming weekend. I'll probably keep everything the same and just bump both bindings forward a tad.

@Saddiction, was hearing good things about your videos in the other thread, I'll have to check out the previews.

@ev That's exactly what we did, it was really fun to just fall all over the bunny, but unlike when I first started when I got tired of that I could just stand up and fly down regular. It must be pretty funny to people watching from the chair, to see someone all over the place and then just get up and zoom down.
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I do not recommend centering your stance on a directional board. You will set yourself in front of the board's sidecut which is going to affect the ride. The easiest way for me to describe the effects of centering your stance on a directional board is that riding normal will handle similar to riding switch.

You can set your stance back for more float or widen your stance evenly from reference point. Centering your stance on a directional means you are setting it forward which is not the best thing to do.

I learned switch on a directional board and while it is easier to do on a true twin, it wasn't horrible to learn on.

If you are completely comfortable with your current stance, leave it. You shouldn't change it to make switch riding easier. Otherwise, your normal riding will get affected.
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I do not recommend centering your stance on a directional board. You will set yourself in front of the board's sidecut which is going to affect the ride. The easiest way for me to describe the effects of centering your stance on a directional board is that riding normal will handle similar to riding switch.
Thanks for the advice. I hadn't thought about the side cut being asymmetric too. Makes sense that would be different. Okay, I'll be wary before I do something like this. I'll see how far I can progress with my board the way it is. In just two days I went from not being able to do it at all, to making it all thew way down a green without falling, so I'll certainly give it more time before I conclude I need to start changing things. And I guess at some point when I want to start getting more into park really heavy, I'll probably just add a second twin board and have two setups, I assume this is what most people do.
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The abridged version of the story below, is that I tried duck +15/-15 and it felt great and made riding switch A LOT easier, can't wait to get back out there.

So went to Okemo this past weekend, hadn't been there in a while, we spent Saturday traveling all over the mountain, just blues and greens. It was really fun and great conditions, good soft slightly packed snow. My wife videoed a small portion of me coming down the end of a blue. I thought I was doing pretty good, it was pretty bumpy so I was trying to keep my knees bent to absorb the bumps. But when I saw the video I was just horrified. I looked all hunched over, my spine curved. Shoulders slumped forward. Butt sticking way out. I think I was trying to bend my knees and ankles more and I just ended up curving my back and bending way forward.

So the next day I specifically went to the beginner area and worked on keeping my spine straight and my upper body aligned with the board. Basically trying to keep good form. While focusing I think it improved, but it still seemed like my butt was hanging out too far and that was causing me to lean over to compensate. It made me think perhaps I am not centered on the board heels to toes, and when I looked it did seem like more of my heals were sticking out. So I bumped both bindings froward a few mm. The next run I definitely felt better and when I went on my heel edge I no loner felt the need to lean forward, I could actually stand up taller and lean back and really dig the heel edge in. It was pretty cool.

So for the next run I decided to switch my stance to pure duck +15/-15 from +18/-6 because I figured I was already changing things around. I didn't have any problems at all, it felt great. I was really surprised. But what was awesome, was when I would ride switch it felt so much more natural, no longer felt like I was riding backwards. Only really had an hour left in the day after making the changes, but it felt natural enough that I believe some day eventually I could ride almost as good switch. Took a few videos maybe I'll link them.

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