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Old 03-01-2011, 01:02 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default chattering heelside carve :(

When ever i switch from toeside back onto heelside, unless im slide carving (scarving) it's fine... however when i try to carve sometimes my edge doesn't dig in, and the board starts to slide out from under me and just turns into a mess. I can dig in my heelside no problem, but heelside is my anti christ!

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Old 03-01-2011, 01:20 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I'm assuming you're riding hard pack/groomers?

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Old 03-01-2011, 01:23 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I'm assuming your riding hard pack/groomers?
yup this happens more often on hard packed/groomed. Pow makes it a lot easier though i usually scarve through it
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Old 03-01-2011, 03:02 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Harpack and ice is tricky to hold an edge at the bottom of the turn when carving. All forces come together here to want to throw the board to the outside of the turn...gravity, momentum and centrifugal force. A few things you can do to help increase your edge hold here:

More angulation, less inclination: The more you incline (lean) your body toward the inside of the turn, the more force is directed to the outside of the turn horizontally. This adds more stress to your edge hold. By using more angulation of the ankles, knees and hips. you can maintain the high edge angles needed for good carving, yet keep you body over the top of the board exerting all force vertically down onto your edge thus providing superior edge hold.

Aft shift of your weight through the turn: It is always the tail that starts to skid first when a carve begins to fail and turn into a skid. At the critical point in the bottom of the turn, shifting your weight slightly aft of your centered stance, weights the tail and increases the edge hold.

Flexion and extension: Start into each carved turn low by using good down unweighting movements to make your edge changes. As the turn progresses, slowly extend through each turn. This rising through the turn applies additional downward force locking your edge into the snow better.

Work the top of the turn: Complete each turn to manage speed and make the edge change earlier so you get your new edge set before the board enters into the fall line. By working the top of the turn, you can get the edge engaged early and even use the top of the turn to do a little braking early so you don not enter the bottom of the turn with so much force.

Stay loose: The reason we have more difficulty maintaining a good quality carve heelside is a result of our ankles for the most part. When toeside, we have great range of movement and can use our toes to "soften" of "dampen" the ride a bit. On heelside, our ankles simply don`t work that way. The trick is to loosen up the knees more to get the same level of shock absorption. This is where more angulation also helps us out. When you carve heelside, allow a bit more looseness in the knees to absorb any vibrations or chatter so you keep the board in positive contact with the snow.


Play around with these concepts and you should see that when you get the timing down, things will click for you...
cheers i'll try that when im up next. Sprained both my wrists yesterday so outta the game for at least 5 days
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do you have any forward lean on your bindings? that will help a lot.. I ride with no forward lean and have this problem.. but two notches of forward lean and I hold them much easier.... but giving lessons with forward lean is a big no no for me.
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do you have any forward lean on your bindings? that will help a lot.. I ride with no forward lean and have this problem.. but two notches of forward lean and I hold them much easier.... but giving lessons with forward lean is a big no no for me.
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do you have any forward lean on your bindings? that will help a lot.. I ride with no forward lean and have this problem.. but two notches of forward lean and I hold them much easier.... but giving lessons with forward lean is a big no no for me.
No they're in the most upgright position possible. I'll give it a shot next session if my carving doesn't improve with practice
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...Well hell, look at it like this... you are using your equipment against you instead of for you.. I say instead of practicing you just change the settings to give you some forward lean... take a few runs and see if it doesn't help tremendously the way I believe it will... and if I'm wrong then you can come back and say hey kink you were wrong... then I will find where you live, because I'm never wrong
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...Well hell, look at it like this... you are using your equipment against you instead of for you.. I say instead of practicing you just change the settings to give you some forward lean... take a few runs and see if it doesn't help tremendously the way I believe it will... and if I'm wrong then you can come back and say hey kink you were wrong... then I will find where you live, because I'm never wrong
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when would you have your bindings not giving you any front lean?
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when would you have your bindings not giving you any front lean?
The reason why I wouldn't is for if I'm in the terrain park... I can't balance as well with forward lean on... maybe the whole flat footed thing... not sure yet.. but giving lessons you have to stop and stand a lot while explaining things to your students ( if you will ). The only drawback of forward lean on your bindings is that it will wear you down a little faster, that's why I say find a medium to where you can do your carves but not fatigue your legs too much.

And no I don't mean forward lean will make you take one run and want to go home, you just have to take time and build up those muscles just like any other ones you've developed
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