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disagree completely....a nice big, slow bs 180 is tits in my book! seen quite a few peeps go both ways on all spins...didnt realize there was a rule that you always go fs for 360s or 180s and bs for anything bigger
I hate quote-slaps -_- But it just feels so awkward spinning a bs 180.


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well, naming the directions of boardslides used to make sense before these goddamn kids started thinking skateboarding and snowboarding are "cool".

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Shred, you seem to be misunderstanding the term "counter-rotation". Notwithstanding Snowolf's (and the AASI's) disavowal of the term, it describes a very specific technique that does exist, and has nothing to do with backside or frontside. Counter-rotation is when you make your lower body go clockwise by cranking your upper body counter-clockwise (or the other way around). Rotation is when you give your entire body an initial rotation on takeoff, and your whole body goes the same way through the spin. For anything more than a 180 (maybe a 270), rotation is the only way to go, unless your body is as flexible as a G.I. Joe. But for 180's (see the title of this thread), a counter-rotated 180 is way easier than a 180 using rotation -- especially with frontsides.

Regardless of what you want to call the move, or whether you believe it exists, the SA vids very clearly explain the difference and demonstrate the two techniques.


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Agree with Donutz. You should learn to throw 180's both front and backside and with both counter and rotation because you will eventually use all of them. It doesn't matter if to l you name it or not, just that you know how to do it.

And how are all the slide jibs complicated? There are only 6 of them: board, lip, nose, tail, blunt and nose blunt.
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So Steez, has all the input made it even more confusing for you

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Steez, have you looked at any videos from "anyone" to help you understand. Maybe Wolf can also recommend a video or two. Here are a few off youtube with a fast search. Maybe these will help you out..

Sierra Snowboard FS/BS 180's

Sierra Snowboard Learning 180's

Not the best but another video

Random normal guy doing 180

again just some I grabbed off the search these might help while you are searching out.
Also are you trying to 180 flat ground, jumps or park features would be helpful to know.
Simple thread was never so complicated huh hahaha

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Not intending this to come off as a personal attack but I am calling bullshit on this and I don't care what a SA video calls it. What you are describing and calling a "counter rotated 180" is in reality "pre-winding".
I have a bad feeling that we're working ourselves farther down the terminology rabbit hole here. I will fully concede that I'm not an expert so I can have a misconception about one or more terms. However, from a physics point of view, certain things make sense.

Now, here's my understanding of pre-winding, counter-rotation, etc. I'm regular, and I'm going to try to do frontsides, so I need to rotate CCW in all the following examples.

If I want to do a 180, I can either do it throug rotation or counter-rotation (my terms, and my understanding of the SA terms. We can negotiate a treaty later ). If I want to do it through rotation -- or if I want to do a 360 or higher, for which rotation is the only choice -- then I will pre-wind as I approach by turning my upper body CW, so I'm actually facing somewhat tailside. As I launch, I twist CCW, giving me net CCW angular momentum. I do the spin (hopefully) and land.

If I want to do a 180 through counter-rotation, I will prewind CCW, so I'm facing forward. When I launch, I launch flat, but I then turn my upper body CW, which causes my lower body to go CCW. This is a net-zero-angular-momentum maneuver, similar in principle to using gyros for attitude adjustment (no, I don't mean anger management ). It works, and is easier than the other kind when you're just starting out. This is the way the SA vids identify these maneuvres. They have the tactical advantage in that they're visually reinforcing the concepts at the same time.

Steeze, this kind of roundabout is fairly normal around here, especially during off season when we're all bored to shit. You should probably just avert your eyes and stop reading. It's the dirty underbelly of snowboarding.

Edit: Looks like we're crossing each other's posts, too.


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I think Steez knows how to do them and is just toying with us and he has a life as we are all debating his thread .

He posted once, Steez you still with us...

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If I want to do a 180 through counter-rotation, I will prewind CCW, so I'm facing forward. When I launch, I launch flat, but I then turn my upper body CW, which causes my lower body to go CCW. This is a net-zero-angular-momentum maneuver, similar in principle to using gyros for attitude adjustment (no, I don't mean anger management ). It works, and is easier than the other kind when you're just starting out. This is the way the SA vids identify these maneuvres. They have the tactical advantage in that they're visually reinforcing the concepts at the same time.
this, to me, makes no sense.


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Check out this video it's not SA this guy is doing just like donutz was talking about.
It's at about 1:25 you can see several 180's where the upper and lower body are rotating in opposite directions.
Look here at 1:25

at 1:48 there is a slow motion of this same motion that seems to be of some contention

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