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Old 01-04-2014, 02:50 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I have yet to land it clean either. I want more powder so my balls don't shrink up. But to me it sounds like you need to load the tip a little more and really pop off it. It will give your spin more momentum. But I'm just guessing. I got the spin but I squirrel out on the landing.
My tail always ends up buried to my bindings in snow (dug in) so I literally stop hahah

Yea I think I'm popping up and not out cause it's so hard to practice a nollie outward

I do the lean back before going into the pop... But my hands do stay by my side when I take off (because of balance)
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My tail always ends up buried to my bindings in snow (dug in) so I literally stop hahah

Yea I think I'm popping up and not out cause it's so hard to practice a nollie outward

I do the lean back before going into the pop... But my hands do stay by my side when I take off (because of balance)
Yea I can't imagine how to practice forward rotating nollie. I could see myself trying it on a trampoline and flying off the side of it. Lol.

Good luck man. My friend and I will be trying it some more in Breck in a week. Hope it comes together better.
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Old 01-04-2014, 09:57 AM   #33 (permalink)
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So I've finally started trying them (for 5-6 days now) and can tell you I'm frustrated as he'll that I haven't landed one yet!!!!

I always seem to get to the point where my tail is facing down (270?) then hit the snow (powder), so underrotating, I do the start really quickly then kinda stop spinning in mid air!!
This sounds to me like there are two possibilities. Either you start doing it the right way, but open your tuck in the air. It's natural if you panic or something like that. The other thing could be that you go into the frontflip with your upper body, but you don't really commit in doing it so you swing your arms, start doing the flip with your torso but don't really transfer the power into your legs. The pop is the key in doing frontflips. Once you get that right, it's a piece of cake. And fun. This is just me guessing, a video would give more info.
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Old 01-04-2014, 10:21 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Sorry I never saw this earlier... I learned these way way long ago before inverts were cool. However I was not only an instructor but the terrain park manager so I MADE myself a SUPER soft landing with a snow gun and worked on these after hours in the wee hours of the night.

I had a full write up on these at snowboardaddicts, I'm pretty sure its still pertinent. first here is a video of some very old footage of me doing these in slow mo for one of the old members of SBA. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdoPlNvJsIs

1. think of them as a cartwheel not a flip.
2. commitment is key and KEEPING YOUR EYES OPEN.
3. does your local hill have an air-bag? If not find one or a foam pit, anything other then learning them on snow... I got 3 class A concussions from learning these. (they didn't have helmets when I started riding and doing these)
4. Still want to learn them the hard way? OK. You must make sure on the take off that you do not start too early or late off the lip. right as the tip of your board crosses the lip is when I start these.
5. I drop my lead shoulder hard and slightly push off my rear foot. If you have enough speed the jump does the rest... that's what its there for. The only time you need to nollie is if you are doing these off of catwalks or need the rotation to be EXTREMELY fast.
6. if you watch the video (again this is REALLY old footage) you will see I try and reach down to my board. This maintains the tuck, once you start extending the rotation stops dramatically.
7. While tucked I'm looking over my rear shoulder, because when you are upside down this is where you will spot your landing. If you see the ground from the half way point its easy to see where you need to extend to stop the rotation.

Once I got to this point I started adding grabs and leg pumps and other shit... but it CHANGES the rotation speed depending on where you grab and such. So keep that in mind.

I've done so many of these they have honestly become one of my "safety tricks" for testing jumps... its strange I know but again when I first started doing these... it was rare for anyone to be trying this shit on my hill... hell the biggest trick back then was a misty 5. Let me know if that helps and I'll try and dig up the write up I did on these years ago. I think the best part about learning these as early as I did was it allowed me to be REALLY confident in the air when off axis rotations and flips became popular. Now I feel more comfortable off axis then I do on it.

BUT there is still nothing more epic then a HUGE flat backside one... the control needed for those rotations are just awesome!

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Sorry I never saw this earlier... I learned these way way long ago before inverts were cool. However I was not only an instructor but the terrain park manager so I MADE myself a SUPER soft landing with a snow gun and worked on these after hours in the wee hours of the night.

I had a full write up on these at snowboardaddicts, I'm pretty sure its still pertinent. first here is a video of some very old footage of me doing these in slow mo for one of the old members of SBA. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdoPlNvJsIs

1. think of them as a cartwheel not a flip.
2. commitment is key and KEEPING YOUR EYES OPEN.
3. does your local hill have an air-bag? If not find one or a foam pit, anything other then learning them on snow... I got 3 class A concussions from learning these. (they didn't have helmets when I started riding and doing these)
4. Still want to learn them the hard way? OK. You must make sure on the take off that you do not start too early or late off the lip. right as the tip of your board crosses the lip is when I start these.
5. I drop my lead shoulder hard and slightly push off my rear foot. If you have enough speed the jump does the rest... that's what its there for. The only time you need to nollie is if you are doing these off of catwalks or need the rotation to be EXTREMELY fast.
6. if you watch the video (again this is REALLY old footage) you will see I try and reach down to my board. This maintains the tuck, once you start extending the rotation stops dramatically.
7. While tucked I'm looking over my rear shoulder, because when you are upside down this is where you will spot your landing. If you see the ground from the half way point its easy to see where you need to extend to stop the rotation.

Once I got to this point I started adding grabs and leg pumps and other shit... but it CHANGES the rotation speed depending on where you grab and such. So keep that in mind.

I've done so many of these they have honestly become one of my "safety tricks" for testing jumps... its strange I know but again when I first started doing these... it was rare for anyone to be trying this shit on my hill... hell the biggest trick back then was a misty 5. Let me know if that helps and I'll try and dig up the write up I did on these years ago. I think the best part about learning these as early as I did was it allowed me to be REALLY confident in the air when off axis rotations and flips became popular. Now I feel more comfortable off axis then I do on it.

BUT there is still nothing more epic then a HUGE flat backside one... the control needed for those rotations are just awesome!


I'm at niesko, Japan ATMs and I don't think they have an airbag available!!

Ok imma try popping and try grab the board, I really want to just over rotate one, just so I know I can do it

I will try get a video today, but it is bucketing with powder ATMs here in japan but I'll see
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I think they're easier than 360's actually. I learned how to do them off catwalks that drop into a steep run. I think I first tried it at the Basin on a powder day.

I'd definitely start there or something similar instead of hitting the jump line. IMO…


Edit: Didn't see the 4 pages, Haha.

I love flips, they're easy and look awesome! The worst one I did was throw one off a lip at Vail into some icy moguls like 3 years ago. I think thats why my shoulder pops out place all the time

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Old 01-04-2014, 11:47 PM   #37 (permalink)
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alright crew, i went out today in the 40cm of snow that niesko recieved overnight and went to the park off a small kicker and tryed and failed, still having the same problem where i kinda stop in mid air (eyes are open) and land with on the tip of the tail of my board

here is a vid of my attempt last night, i notice that my weight when i land is all the way back like im doing a manual or something

Tamedog attempt #1 - YouTube

i apologise for the terrible quailty
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Looks pretty good, you just don't tuck tight enough. When you do frontflips from a spot like that, you either have to tuck tight or pop like crazy. Easiest way to get the full flip is to make yourself as small in the air as possible so you spin faster. The reason why your weight is all the way back is probably the not-spinning-enough. Anyway it's looking pretty good already just bring your knees closer to your chest and you'll be fine. You can easily over rotate it if you keep the tuck tight long enough
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