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WVrider84 08-23-2011 09:23 AM

Very solid riding videos
 
Hey everyone. I thought I would share some videos which I am quite fond of. I am more of a visual learner which really draws me to videos of proficient riding (which are hard to come by!). I shared these videos in a post over at epic ski - their snowboarding community doesn't seem as active.


CASI Level 1 Standards 2010 - YouTube



CASI Level 2 Standards 2010 - YouTube



CASI Level 3 Standards 2010 - YouTube



CASI Level 4 Standards 2010 - YouTube



I really like the style of the guy with the red jacket and white helmet.



How to Snowboard : Snowboard Turning Techniques - YouTube



Bryan has an AWESOME toeside turn at 1:47.



How to Snowboard - Get Dynamic - YouTube



Nice dynamic turns

Sincraft 09-10-2011 11:47 PM

this video from my local 'hill'
How to Snowboard : Snowboard Turning Techniques - YouTube
How to Snowboard : Snowboard Turning Techniques - YouTube

most of the time, it's groomed ice granules and the blues are what I've seen most blacks elsewhere. Although, some of their blues are rather mild too.

For me, riding in any terrain is fun but getting some give with the snow makes it even better, especially when you fall!

IdahoFreshies 09-11-2011 06:21 PM

wow those casi videos are incredibly impressive!

WVrider84 09-12-2011 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by IdahoFreshies (Post 416133)
wow those casi videos are incredibly impressive!

Yeah they are! Ive been fortunate enough to get to ride with some higher level AASI guys who can KILL IT. I wish AASI had some useful online videos that showed someone riding longer than like 15 seconds.

jlm1976 09-13-2011 10:39 AM

I think videos like that are good and bad. They are good for people to see what high level riding can look like and give some indication of the riding/teaching standards to instructors.
However, they also hurt because then you think things like "that's what a dynamic carved turn should look like" and try to mimic it. There are basic elements to anything we do on a snowboard that have to be there, but to what degree and how the rider wants to make them happen is what creates style. That is something that I know AASI-E wants to preserve. Otherwise, snowboarding turns into skiing and people are failing exams because they don't have the right form.

However, I do agree that AASI could use a better video presence on the web.

WVrider84 09-13-2011 12:41 PM

Jim I totally agree with you around that idea that individual style should be encouraged when snowboarding. I just posted those videos up to possibly get someone out there excited about technical riding. I think something the sport of snowboarding really lacks are good video examples of proficient riding outside of the park. There are plenty of videos out there showing people doing tricks off jumps or jibbing rails. Don't get me wrong these videos are really cool, but there are hardly any videos out there of people completing their turns on steeps, truly riding dynamic, or carving on a freestyle setup. I think if people were aware of higher level riding they would think "man I want to ride like that!" and pursue it -take lessons, become instructors, or watch more videos at work.

bc77 09-18-2011 07:21 PM

Clip below starts at 1m42s
CASI Level 4 Standards 2010 - YouTube

Can anyone explain what type of turn this is, and whats being done pressure/edge-wise throughout the various phases of the turn?
Is this a dolphin turn? It looks like he is kind of ollieing from one turn to next, and/or using the rebound pressure built up to do so?

When is it useful? Or is it the pressure/edge control you learn from being able to do this which is more useful?

The only other vid with this kind of turn which I can find, but not nearly as effortless as the vid above:
110313 Dolphin turn High1_V1.. GFbbsd - YouTube

WVrider84 09-18-2011 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bc77 (Post 417648)
Clip below starts at 1m42s
CASI Level 4 Standards 2010 - YouTube

Can anyone explain what type of turn this is, and whats being done pressure/edge-wise throughout the various phases of the turn?
Is this a dolphin turn? It looks like he is kind of ollieing from one turn to next, and/or using the rebound pressure built up to do so?

When is it useful? Or is it the pressure/edge control you learn from being able to do this which is more useful?

The only other vid with this kind of turn which I can find, but not nearly as effortless as the vid above:
110313 Dolphin turn High1_V1.. GFbbsd - YouTube

Hey BC I'm pumped you took interest in that turn! I think the rider in your dolphin turn video is using the same transition. I agree its not quite as smooth. He is skidding his turns where the CASI guy is carving.

I spent some time last season trying to recreate this turn. I think it looks REALLY freakin cool, and I think you hit the nail on the head with "is it the pressure/edge control you learn from being able to do this which is more useful?"

My analysis of the turn - I think that the CASI rider is demonstrating a flexion/extension drill. The drill intent is for independent flexion/extension combined with fore/aft movements. The turns are carved (notice the pencil lines in the video). The rider is air born in the transition edge to edge. At the exit of the turn the rider is popping off the tail of the board shifting weight back while flexing the front knee and extending the back knee. While airborne the rider extends the front knee flexes the back knee and shifts his weight forward. If you watch the video slowly the rider pops off the tail of the board and lands on the nose on the new edge. I spent a decent amount of time working on this turn last season in the manor I just described, and I think that it helped improve my dynamic riding

bc77 09-18-2011 09:00 PM

WVrider84m, thanks for the analysis.
The guy on the CASI vid just makes it look so annoyingly effortless. He's getting lots of pop without flexing his knees much. I tried it myself on different occasions and couldn't get any pop without getting tired very quickly.

What should you concentrate on when doing it? Is it very quick fore/aft movements and timing the rebound to match this, or is it to buy a very poppy board:) Does the flex of the board actually make a difference? Or do I need to build up my legs at the gym lol?

Also, one of the BASI (British Association Snowboard Instructors) coaches Neil McNab calls it a cross-under turn - kind of confuses things with the usual cross-under turn which stays on the ground. Maybe it's an advanced version?

NoirX252 09-19-2011 03:59 AM

I always thought that was a proper way to ride, fore/aft movements + unweighting movement.

Is it normal for (aggressive upunweighting such as that dolphin turn) to take a toll on the knees/body?

I find it MUCH easier to aggressively down-unweigh and still have the board leave the ground if I choose to by the speed of my knee flexion and engage my downhill edge as fast as possible while carving, + the g-force one experiences at the bottom of the turn can be used to propel your body down the hill to the next edge with down unweighting, where up unweighting you would have to fight this? (this is why I experience problems up uwneighting?)

Last season I managed maybe 3 or 4 these dolphin turns before switching back to a cross under movement.

That reminds me, in that CASI 4 video, that guy is up unweighting.
In AASI, does dynamic riding refer to pure down unweighting? or does it include up unweighting? and does the body have to take a different path from the board? (If doing large gs style carves + a down unweight, is this not deemed dynamic?)

Or is it deemed dynamic cause in both cases, the distance from the board and body is changing anyways, and the only up unweight that is not dynamic is the static knees rock body back/forth thing beginners do?

I'm sleep deprived, sorry lol


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