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Ballistic 09-14-2011 12:00 AM

do u agree with this snowboard school ability chart??
 
Whistler - Ability Chart and Videos

Is it just me or is this ability chart wacked out? Maybe whistler likes thier students to feel they are alot more advanced than others agree with,, iveseen alot of other charts that place all these skill sets a click lower. Have a look.. whaddaya think?? :eek:

IdahoFreshies 09-14-2011 12:47 AM

well the videos are all about skiiers...so of course they think they are better than they actually are:cheeky4:

Grizz 09-14-2011 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Ballistic (Post 416708)
Whistler - Ability Chart and Videos

Is it just me or is this ability chart wacked out? Maybe whistler likes thier students to feel they are alot more advanced than others agree with,, iveseen alot of other charts that place all these skill sets a click lower. Have a look.. whaddaya think?? :eek:

I think this is the chart you were looking at. http://www.whistlerblackcomb.com/sno...ity_charts.htm

Well in my thinking, you can't be lower than a one or higher than a six so those levels are accurate. It must be 2-5 you have issues with but to me they seem fine.

Too many people get hung up on what level they are, or should be. It's just a relative ranking that makes setting up a group lesson easier, nothing more.

Some parents attitudes towards their offspring in regards to this kind of chart are the absolute worst to deal with.

Ballistic 09-14-2011 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by IdahoFreshies (Post 416719)
well the videos are all about skiiers...so of course they think they are better than they actually are:cheeky4:

Theres a link for snowboards on that same page.. oops

jlm1976 09-14-2011 11:03 AM

These seem about right. Snowboard levels are really hard to define. Skiing has a clear, established progression. Snowboarding only has a somewhat clear progression up to level 3-4 on that chart because everyone needs to know how to link turns on green terrain. After that, things start to get a little fuzzy.
At the level 4 stage in that chart, you could have 5people in your level "4" group, all with different goals. One could want to learn flatground tricks, one steeper terrain, one carving, one switch....
This complication is one of the reasons I love snowboarding and love teaching it.

CheeseForSteeze 09-14-2011 12:44 PM

What the hell is wrong with the person who chose the intro music for those videos?

Ballistic 09-14-2011 02:06 PM

ok.. i'll concede to you guys i know some of you are high level instructors and i certainly am not. But have a look at this chart here Snowboarding & Ski Ability | KeystoneResort.com
not only is it alot more detailed but if u look at thier 'intermediate' descriptions they essentially describe what whistler is calling "advanced". Heres an excerpt below. I really like thier ADVANCED description also, they call levels 7, 8, 9.

INTERMEDIATE- LEVEL 5

Description: You ski or ride comfortably and confidently on all “green circle” and most groomed “blue square” terrain at Keystone. You can link turns (mostly parallel for skiers) of varying sizes and you can control your speed in most situations by adjusting your line, with little need for braking (“gliding the slow line fast”).

What to expect—depending on your needs and goals:
- Explore higher speeds and more vigorous movements for shorter, complete turns.
- Develop higher edge angles and discover the control and sensations of carved turns.
- Gain confidence on steeper, more challenging groomed blue terrain.
- Venture into easiest ungroomed terrain.


INTERMEDIATE- LEVEL 6

Description: You are comfortable and confident on any groomed “blue square” terrain, and capable of skiing or riding easiest ungroomed and moguled blue terrain. You can link turns of varying size at moderate speed. If you are a skier, you are usually parallel, and you may use a pole swing or plant in most of your turns. Snowboarders are beginning to skid less, with the tail of the board following the tip, for more control of their line.

What to expect—depending on your needs and goals:
- Refine your balance, technique, and consistency.
- Explore technical options for more versatility, from pure-carved turns to braking. Skiers learn to use both skis independently, with step turns, stem turns, and one- or two-footed movements. Snowboarders develop rhythm and build your bag of tricks with more varied movement options.
- Explore tactical options for confidence in more challenging blue terrain and conditions, including the steepest blue square runs and easy moguls.

Donutz 09-14-2011 02:13 PM

Probably very useful for setting levels in lessons -- if you're above 6 you probably aren't a potential customer anyway. But I find it funny that I'm a 5/6 on that scale, and I've got so far to go before I could keep up with a lot of the people on this forum.

Ballistic 09-14-2011 02:24 PM

on the whistler ADVANCED video it says quote "able to link turns on easy blue runs..." I cant help but think "dude.. i hope you can link turns on blue if u call yourself 'advanced' level snowboarder."

i dunno, i just dont like the idea of levels being diluted. If you are an advanced or expert rider.. you are pretty damn good.

The danger here, i think, is it would be a marketing advantage for a resort to be able to send students away with inflated assessments. Like a driving school that pumps out shitty drivers who are sketchy. ;)

Lab 09-16-2011 06:49 PM

I like that keystone chart. After reading it I seem to be between a 7 and 8, and i didn't think I was quite there :D


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