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Old 12-28-2011, 01:56 PM   #11 (permalink)
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It's because you are turning your back towards the fall-line and you brain thinks you are going backwards down the hill and balks.
yup, this, and you think that you are going to go blindly fast and not see where you are going. But you got to think about it. While on heel side you quickly scan the area where you are turning and will be riding...its clear.

So then, drop the nose down into the fall line by shifting your hips forward to the nose to weight it.

Then driving your leading knee and drop your leading shoulder; momentarily gaining a bit of speed.

Followed by moving your hips back to the center of the board, keep your shoulder's closed/in-line with the board and even look back up the hill to tranverse toeside.

***Many folks...keep looking down the hill, thus being counter-rotated because they fear that they are going to run in to something or get tossed on a slight bump; therefore feel that toeside get away from them and its true because they are not fully engaging the toeside traverse....so look back up the hill.
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Old 12-28-2011, 05:04 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Does this sound familiar..?

You go to initiate the turn but you're already feeling apprehensive, so you're already leaning slightly toward the tail out of fear 'away from the turn'.

You start the turn but because your weight is back you disengage the front edge quickly.

The board starts to point down the hill, it's picking up speed because it doesn't have an edge engaged and it's not turning because the rear edge isn't fully engaged and the front hasn't re-engaged.

You counteract this by learning further back/toward the tail still, away from the fall line as a self protection reaction, or to try and 'pull' the nose around somehow.

Eventually the board comes around and the edges re-engage. You've already picked up a ton of speed and by the time you've got centered again and can start to control the speed you've run out of piste/trail..
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Old 12-29-2011, 10:04 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Hey Fayewolf, glad to see you back again...

For your heelside issue, the reason most people struggle with this is not committing to the turn and not turning their head over their front shoulder to look down at where they want to go. I see people in my classes day after day trying to make this turn but remain looking up the hill. Additionally, the best way to to manage speed is to flex down low to initiate your turn and extend up through it as we discussed last season. The reason you go flying off to the side so fast is you are remaining too static in the turn and not getting nearly aggressive enough with your movements.

Skidding your turns is not necessarily a bad thing if you are skidding at the right stage of the turn. Your snow spray should being thrown to the side of the run not down the hill. If all of your spray is going down the hill, you are delaying your braking action and doing it at the bottom of your turn. Instead, get more aggressive with your edge earlier in the turn and start your skidd near the top of the turn, through the control phase then ease up at completion to reduce this slip down the hill.

For your toeside steep terrain freak out issue, again, get lowere, much lower. This really helps with the fear as well as board performance. In addition, if you are freaked out going into the turn, chances are you are holding your rear hand out in front of you to "catch yourself" when you fall forward. I see this all of the time. When you go to initiate your toeside turn on steep terrain, get that back hand behind you and drop that front shoulder like your are diving into the turn. It will feel "wrong" and scary I know, but it is the only way to stay in control on steep terrain. Leaning back uphill is causing the the dealy in turn initiation and completion and causes the speed buildup.
Yay! Thank you snowolf! Yeah, I went back a second time and I notice how high and static I was, I did attempt to go lower and it was a bit better. I know I was still leaning back because I can see myself in slow motion, brain tells me to shoulder dip, lean towards front, toe edge engage, and it's like act of god if I can do it or not. When I do it, I'm in total control, when I freak out, I lean back and cannot do anything and just fall, these are not bad falls though, not like when I first learn, now those are crazily painful.

I looked at your video on catrack again, and oretty much use the technique of making lots of turns, complete turns on a gentler black run, and I survived!!!
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Old 12-30-2011, 05:27 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Just keep pluggin away at it. You pretty much have the knowledge and know what you should do. Now its just a matter of "time behind the wheel" and keep working at it. It will come, just hang in there and keep at it; having fun the whole time. If you drink, having a good strong beer before going out really can help. Don`t get blitzed, but just enough to take the edge off of the fear can make a HUGE difference.
As silly as it sounds, liquid courage really does help.
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Just keep pluggin away at it. You pretty much have the knowledge and know what you should do. Now its just a matter of "time behind the wheel" and keep working at it. It will come, just hang in there and keep at it; having fun the whole time. If you drink, having a good strong beer before going out really can help. Don`t get blitzed, but just enough to take the edge off of the fear can make a HUGE difference.
OF COURSE! A BEER!! SNowolf once again coming through with great advice...here I thought beer was frowned upon when snowboarding hehe Although beer could be a bad idea for me...it gives me that tough guy courage and next thing I know I'm starting a fight with a guy that out weighs me by 150 lbs...can only imagine what I would do on the slopes...might think i'm TRice and jump off a cliff...I'll stay away from the beer till my skills progress
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OF COURSE! A BEER!! SNowolf once again coming through with great advice...here I thought beer was frowned upon when snowboarding hehe Although beer could be a bad idea for me...it gives me that tough guy courage and next thing I know I'm starting a fight with a guy that out weighs me by 150 lbs...can only imagine what I would do on the slopes...might think i'm TRice and jump off a cliff...I'll stay away from the beer till my skills progress
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