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Old 12-24-2011, 02:16 AM   #11 (permalink)
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The ghetto option and one I am using currently is to go to the grocery store and buy a pack of those kitchen sponges. You know the ones; they are about 3X5 and about an inch thick. All I do is when I get into my boots at the beginning of the day is jam one down between the liner and the shell to wrap around my heel. No heel lift at all and the things give enough to not cause too many problems with pressure points. It`s the buck 99 solution....
Hahaha nice solution! Although that kinda forces you to lean really forward then when you're walking around without the board, right? Do you have a link where I can see how/where exactly to put it??

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That is completely wrong. Initiate and lead the turn with your front foot, back will follow. What your boyfriend is having you do is bad form, some people call this "kick turning", this will only lead you to "skidded turns", tons of caught edges and face slams, and not proper carves.
How exactly would "skidded turns" feel and look like??? Is this also another reason why I seem to be having trouble getting out of my turns??

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If you don't have the cash for new boots... go to a snowboard/ski shop that does bootfitting (helm of sun valley in san mateo does it... not sure about places in SF) and have them add a C-pad or butterfly wrap around the ankle area of your liner. That will help fill in the space above your heel and below your ankle to help keep the heel from lifting. Should cost like $10... you van go to tognar.com and buy the stuff yourself, but it takes a little bit of knowledge to put them on the liner in the correction spot (i could walk you through it though... There might be a YouTube video on It but I cant search for it right now)
I'm looking at the reviews for Helm of Sun Valley right now, and it seems to be a hit-and-miss in terms of service - if you've been, can you perhaps recommend me the person who had fixed up your (or another friend's) boots? Alternatively, if you have time to find the DIY YouTube video or walk me through it, that would be great too, thanks!!
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Skidded turns are when you are not riding along your edge and are drifting.
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Old 12-24-2011, 03:54 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Hahaha nice solution! Although that kinda forces you to lean really forward then when you're walking around without the board, right? Do you have a link where I can see how/where exactly to put it??

I'm looking at the reviews for Helm of Sun Valley right now, and it seems to be a hit-and-miss in terms of service - if you've been, can you perhaps recommend me the person who had fixed up your (or another friend's) boots? Alternatively, if you have time to find the DIY YouTube video or walk me through it, that would be great too, thanks!!
Your snowboard boots are meant for snowboarding... not for walking. I roll my eyes whenever someone loves the fact that their boot feel like "slippers." You don't play basketball or hike up mountains in slippers... what makes you think you should be snowboarding in slippersl

Yea... the guys at Helm of Sun Valley are a bit... crusty... so maybe you are better off doing yourself. This particular bootfitting adjustment is not very hard to do. First buy some foam pads, I would recommend a two pairs of C-pads (one order for each boot) or if you want to be more aggressive you can get the ankle wrap (more material) for like $12 total. Shipping is going to be around $6... so you might want to get a second set just in case..., you need it. My wife had THREE sets of C-pads around her ankles until we found a better fitting boot for her.

The key thing to "installing them" is to have them correctly positioned (i.e. around your ankle bones... officially the lateral and medial malleolus) - the link I have above has diagrams showing what the end result should look like (you might need to click on the thumbnail images). So pull out your liner and lace it up around your feet. Feel through the liner to find your ankle bones on each side and use a marker to marker them with an (X). Then take off the liner and place the C-pad around that X on each side. If your BF is around, he can do it while you are wearing the liners, saving you a step. Again the idea is to fill in the space that is just below you ankle bones and above your heel.

Hope that helps.

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Old 12-26-2011, 06:16 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Thanks SnoWolf for the tips and analogies! I shall try to control my turns more so I'm not skidding as much, although it seems like it's become a bad habit 'cause all of my turns are pretty much skids (+ face/butt plants )... >.<!!

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Your snowboard boots are meant for snowboarding... not for walking. I roll my eyes whenever someone loves the fact that their boot feel like "slippers." You don't play basketball or hike up mountains in slippers... what makes you think you should be snowboarding in slippersl

Yea... the guys at Helm of Sun Valley are a bit... crusty... so maybe you are better off doing yourself. This particular bootfitting adjustment is not very hard to do. First buy some foam pads, I would recommend a two pairs of C-pads (one order for each boot) or if you want to be more aggressive you can get the ankle wrap (more material) for like $12 total. Shipping is going to be around $6... so you might want to get a second set just in case..., you need it. My wife had THREE sets of C-pads around her ankles until we found a better fitting boot for her.

The key thing to "installing them" is to have them correctly positioned (i.e. around your ankle bones... officially the lateral and medial malleolus) - the link I have above has diagrams showing what the end result should look like (you might need to click on the thumbnail images). So pull out your liner and lace it up around your feet. Feel through the liner to find your ankle bones on each side and use a marker to marker them with an (X). Then take off the liner and place the C-pad around that X on each side. If your BF is around, he can do it while you are wearing the liners, saving you a step. Again the idea is to fill in the space that is just below you ankle bones and above your heel.

Hope that helps.
Yeah that definitely helps, thanks so much! And just to clarify, the pads are placed on both sides of the liner, yes?
And I'm too lazy to take off my boots completely when I'm taking an hour lunch break, although they're not exactly the most comfortable things to be walking around in.. I always seem to be fighting my own boots to take them off. =/
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my boots almost feel like slippers...anyway cover the butterflies/j/c bars with some kind of tape. I've used duct, athletic and others but the best has been nylon "hurricane" tape....it sticks well and it slides easily to get the liners in/out for drying.

The other thing about toeside turns...complete them by "looking back up the hill"...lots of newbs counter-rotate or keep looking down the hill to see where they are going to go...BUT by looking back up the hill it brings your shoulders in line with the board so that you can complete the toeside turn....TRY IT.

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When I rest my shins on the tongues of my boots and I bend my knees, my heels lift inside my boots no matter how hard I crank down on my boa
As others have mentioned, yes...that's heel lift. And cranking down your laces might stop it, but other parts of your feet will eventually pay the price.

From my understanding, there's 3 basic types (or a combination)

1) Your heel bones (the big knobs on the inside and outside) are narrow or ill-defined (ie not that knobby) and don't really sit in the "cup" on each inside side of the liner. A C pad on the outside of the liner will make the "cup" cup around the knobs better.

2) Your heel base directly below the knobs is a little narrower than the knobs. I have this problem in work boots, it feels like you're attached by the ankle, but your heel is free below. Kinda like wearing gaiters. A heel wrap will help fill up the space.

3) Your liner doesn't pinch in well around your achillies tendon, particularly the little dimple between the tendon and the ankle bone. It's fine when your tendon isn't stretched (like when you point your toes), but lean forward and stretch the tendon and it gets longer and narrower. And your heel slides up. Personally, I think this is the more common type of heel lift. An L pad or a pair of L pads will pinch that a little snugger. They make your boots a little harder to get into so unlace/loosen your boots well. Once your foot is in, you shouldn't notice them at all.

I have this problem with my right foot in every pair of over-the-ankle boots I've ever had.

That Togar link from a few posts back has diagrams.
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Thanks for all of the info!! I went snowboarding again today, and all of this has helped me so much! As it turns out, I was flexing too much rather than letting my knees do some of the work. As it turns out I really wasn't bending my knees enough Now toeside turns have been amazing and almost as good as my heelside. You have all been so helpful!!!
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Old 12-27-2011, 01:47 AM   #18 (permalink)
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1) Your heel bones (the big knobs on the inside and outside) are narrow or ill-defined (ie not that knobby) and don't really sit in the "cup" on each inside side of the liner. A C pad on the outside of the liner will make the "cup" cup around the knobs better...........

3) Your liner doesn't pinch in well around your achillies tendon, particularly the little dimple between the tendon and the ankle bone. It's fine when your tendon isn't stretched (like when you point your toes), but lean forward and stretch the tendon and it gets longer and narrower. And your heel slides up. Personally, I think this is the more common type of heel lift. An L pad or a pair of L pads will pinch that a little snugger. They make your boots a little harder to get into so unlace/loosen your boots well. Once your foot is in, you shouldn't notice them at all.
So... I guess it's down to either a C or L pad then! I don't really know how "knobby" my heel bones are though, and I can't seem to tell whether or not they can sit in the "cup" inside the liner. In any case, I'm not too sure what exactly to look for, so perhaps you can give a better judgment as to which type of pad is better.. =P

- I don't have that little dimple when I point my toes.
- When I lean forward and the foot is flexed to the max, the knobs aren't that well-defined.
- It's a constant fight trying to take off my boots.. It's not as tough getting my feet in through. xD But mark my words, one day my boyfriend will pop my ankle or something from trying to get my boots off for me...


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Thanks for all of the info!! I went snowboarding again today, and all of this has helped me so much! As it turns out, I was flexing too much rather than letting my knees do some of the work. As it turns out I really wasn't bending my knees enough Now toeside turns have been amazing and almost as good as my heelside. You have all been so helpful!!!
Woot, glad you improved on your toeside turns! Now I just gotta wait till Thursday and Friday to try out everybody's recommendations.
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My heels are so narrow I'm going to try the sponge and/or the tognar pads.

Has anyone ever used both an ankle wrap and a c/l pad? I might buy an ankle wrap and a C pad but not sure which to use first, and whether they can stack.
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My heels are so narrow I'm going to try the sponge and/or the tognar pads.

Has anyone ever used both an ankle wrap and a c/l pad? I might buy an ankle wrap and a C pad but not sure which to use first, and whether they can stack.
You can stack... we stacked THREE c-pads in my wife's boots... a stop-gap measure until we got her boots that fit better out of the box.
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