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jamesdthomas2 12-23-2011 11:18 PM

Burton Custom X Riding Issues
 
I own 3 boards from burton (I know...that is my first mistake, but I like them). 09' Twin (Camber), 11' Sherlock (Flying V), and 12' Custom X (Camber). I can ride my twin in all conditions at moderate speeds 35-40 mph. I purchased my sherlock at the end of last season and felt it was very unstable. I would often wash out on heel edge. So, this year I purchased a custom x. The reviews say this board is very stable at high speeds. I just left Winter Park and fell on my heel edge similar to the Sherlock. I fell more today than I fell in the past two season combined on the twin.

The only thing I can think of is my set as a possible cause. I have been setting the directional boards as twins. I like to ride switch. Could that be the reason?

Dose anyone have any similar situation or advice. Cause my damn body hurts. HELP!!!!!

dreampow 12-23-2011 11:23 PM

Most probably not the boards but your riding. Setting up centered shouldn't be a problem at all.

Post up a video of you riding and people on here will be able to tell you whats going wrong.

May have to put your ego to one side though. Worth it to improve your riding IMO.

good luck.

lonerider 12-23-2011 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesdthomas2 (Post 457437)
I own 3 boards from burton (I know...that is my first mistake, but I like them). 09' Twin (Camber), 11' Sherlock (Flying V), and 12' Custom X (Camber). I can ride my twin in all conditions at moderate speeds 35-40 mph. I purchased my sherlock at the end of last season and felt it was very unstable. I would often wash out on heel edge. So, this year I purchased a custom x. The reviews say this board is very stable at high speeds. I just left Winter Park and fell on my heel edge similar to the Sherlock. I fell more today than I fell in the past two season combined on the twin.

The only thing I can think of is my set as a possible cause. I have been setting the directional boards as twins. I like to ride switch. Could that be the reason?

Dose anyone have any similar situation or advice. Cause my damn body hurts. HELP!!!!!

When you fall are your catching your edge... or does it feel like the edge imply slides out from under you at a certain point... it could be boot/heelcup overhang (although it is rare). How much can you board tilt up on it's heeledge before the heelcup (or strapped in boot) touches the floor?

jamesdthomas2 12-24-2011 09:43 AM

So last night I went to sleep but all I could think about is how many times I washed out. This morning I began comparing my twin (cartel binding non-channel system) and custom x (cartel with channel system). I use the cartel binding with channel system on both the custom x and sherlock. On this binding, it overhangs my board on heel edge about 1/8 inch. On the twin binding, it is about 1/4 inch away from the edge of the board. Could this cause my issue?

Dreampow- I will try to get a vid today of my riding. Be honest, if I completely suck, let me know. I am not soft nor do I have an ego. I just want to be the best I can be.

Lonerider- I am not catching an edge. While on my heel edge, I would hit a patch of ice and instantly fall. At times it felt like I was on a box/rail. It also seem like I have plenty of lean before the boot touches the floor.

Snowolf- The conditions were not the best. 8-15 degrees and mountain full of skiers (mougals everywhere, BOOOOOO). I did notice a lot of skiers/boarders also washing out. But I assumed this was because they were the holiday types, and only go for holiday season. I figured, I should be better. Also, I went with a friend who was on his normal board and not washing out like me.

qwezxc12 12-24-2011 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jamesdthomas2 (Post 457525)
So last night I went to sleep but all I could think about is how many times I washed out. This morning I began comparing my twin (cartel binding non-channel system) and custom x (cartel with channel system). I use the cartel binding with channel system on both the custom x and sherlock. On this binding, it overhangs my board on heel edge about 1/8 inch. On the twin binding, it is about 1/4 inch away from the edge of the board. Could this cause my issue?

I have pretty much the same set-up. In the interest of eliminating any potential set-up issue you may have with your bindings, here are a few pics from my board (2010 164W CX and L Cartels). I wear size 12 Vans Cirro boots, so the Gas Pedals are fully extended. Bindings are mounted reference width, regular stance, +20 and -12, mounted 1 increment (1st black stripe back from the centered red stripe) to the heel-side in order for my boots to be centered across the board with equal overhang. I find it has equivalent edge-to-edge response in both directions:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5...6/IMG_1216.JPG

Left (front) binding:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-7...0/IMG_1220.JPG

Right (rear) binding:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-B...0/IMG_1219.JPG

I also dial in a little forward lean into the highbacks... I find this assists with ensuring I have enough edge angle on my heel side, which keeps me from washing out due to too low of angle on hard heelside maneuvers.

Is there a significant highback angle difference between your two boards? If you used the same riding style on both but had less forward lean in the EST bindings, it may be causing you to have a flatter board during heelside turns, making it easier to wash out...

Donutz 12-24-2011 10:15 AM

How does the edge of the 09 Twin compare to the edges of the other boards? It may be that the 09 edges better than the other two. Whether it's compensating for a problem with your riding or whether you've gotten used to riding more aggressively because of it, dunno.

Couple of years back, I had two boards and my heel turns would wash out more with one board than the other -- the board would 'skip' a few times then I'd be on my butt. As SW mentioned, there was a problem with my turns. For whatever reason, one board would handle my turns better than the other -- and it was the cheaper one! Eventually I figured out what I was doing wrong and corrected it.

qwezxc12 12-24-2011 10:25 AM

Donutz,

That's funny - I was just about to edit my post to add something along those lines.

To the OP, no idea what the factory edge is like on your CX. Maybe one edge is sharper than the other? I tune mine to 1/1 side/base bevel and keep it really sharp... which is needed in NE hardpack/ice. I use the file as needed when the edge gets dinged up and diamond hone every few waxes.

lonerider 12-24-2011 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesdthomas2 (Post 457525)
So last night I went to sleep but all I could think about is how many times I washed out. This morning I began comparing my twin (cartel binding non-channel system) and custom x (cartel with channel system). I use the cartel binding with channel system on both the custom x and sherlock. On this binding, it overhangs my board on heel edge about 1/8 inch. On the twin binding, it is about 1/4 inch away from the edge of the board. Could this cause my issue?

Dreampow- I will try to get a vid today of my riding. Be honest, if I completely suck, let me know. I am not soft nor do I have an ego. I just want to be the best I can be.

Lonerider- I am not catching an edge. While on my heel edge, I would hit a patch of ice and instantly fall. At times it felt like I was on a box/rail. It also seem like I have plenty of lean before the boot touches the floor.

Snowolf- The conditions were not the best. 8-15 degrees and mountain full of skiers (mougals everywhere, BOOOOOO). I did notice a lot of skiers/boarders also washing out. But I assumed this was because they were the holiday types, and only go for holiday season. I figured, I should be better. Also, I went with a friend who was on his normal board and not washing out like me.

I didn't think you were catching your edge, but I just wanted to make sure. I was thinking that maybe your boot or heelcup on the back is touching the snow... if that happens, it will unweight the board edge and it will feel like you suddenly losing ALL grip on your edge (as if sliding off your edge on a box or a rail).

Another possibility is that you riding are straight-legged and stiff and leaning back on your heelside... if you hit a bump on icy snow like that... you will again unweight the board edge and you will lose traction and slip out onto your butt.

jamesdthomas2 12-24-2011 10:03 PM

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Went out today. I did not see everyone post before I left. So, I moved my bindings all the way in and set up binding for a more directional feel. The temp was 31 degrees. I did not fall at all today (back to normal) but the board only rode ok. It felt a little sloppy but I am getting adjusted to that feel now.

qwezcx12, Thank you so much for the pics. You are awesome. I recently changed my foward lean in the binding because I couldn't ollie off boxes. When I changed this to no lean, I was able to jump without starting a heel edge (I don't know if I made sense there). I will check that out next time. I see a slight difference in high back angle (see pic). Older Cartels on more of a lean when set to zero. I think you may be on to something.

As far as edges go, I am completely lost. I did look at both edges, but I just see edges... lol. I do tune my own board but I just run the shapener along the side (I hope that's not a dumb comment). I did just pick up a diamond file from sheels. Do you think that makes a huge difference? Do you use is only on the bottom of the board or both bottom and sides?

Lonerider- I was thinking the same thing about my heel cup touching the snow. I wear a size 11.5 boot. The guy who sold me the board said I did not need a wide. So my Twin is a wide and the custom x is not. cx12 is riding a wide custom x. Do you think I made a mistake here? If so, what can I do to minimize this mistake? It's ok...I can take it... I think. It just 600 dollars down the drain:eek:

lonerider 12-25-2011 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jamesdthomas2 (Post 457709)
Went out today. I did not see everyone post before I left. So, I moved my bindings all the way in and set up binding for a more directional feel. The temp was 31 degrees. I did not fall at all today (back to normal) but the board only rode ok. It felt a little sloppy but I am getting adjusted to that feel now.

qwezcx12, Thank you so much for the pics. You are awesome. I recently changed my foward lean in the binding because I couldn't ollie off boxes. When I changed this to no lean, I was able to jump without starting a heel edge (I don't know if I made sense there). I will check that out next time. I see a slight difference in high back angle (see pic). Older Cartels on more of a lean when set to zero. I think you may be on to something.

As far as edges go, I am completely lost. I did look at both edges, but I just see edges... lol. I do tune my own board but I just run the shapener along the side (I hope that's not a dumb comment). I did just pick up a diamond file from sheels. Do you think that makes a huge difference? Do you use is only on the bottom of the board or both bottom and sides?

Lonerider- I was thinking the same thing about my heel cup touching the snow. I wear a size 11.5 boot. The guy who sold me the board said I did not need a wide. So my Twin is a wide and the custom x is not. cx12 is riding a wide custom x. Do you think I made a mistake here? If so, what can I do to minimize this mistake? It's ok...I can take it... I think. It just 600 dollars down the drain:eek:

Usually a wide board is recommended for size 11 boot and up (unless you get one of those minus-one boots). You are at the borderline of what I consider to be too much overhang (0.5 - 1 inch), so it is a possibility (but I'm not 100% sure)... especially on a steep slope where you are more likely to angle the board a lot on a heeledge.


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