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Old 01-12-2012, 02:05 PM   #31 (permalink)
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As has been repeated, men have pretty clear physical advantages - especially in the area of muscle mass, but I would say a lot of it is social and mental. Testosterone and "male-dominance" play a big part. You get a group of males together and you see a lot of attempts to one-up each other. You get a group of females together and there is less of that push to compete, though it's usually more of a supportive atmosphere.
I think this is also a large part of it. Although halfpipe/park snowboarding isn't the same as alpine racing, and they have different physical demands, you still don't see nearly as large as a skill gap in skiing as you do in snowboarding even though the physical differences are largely the same.

I think there just aren't nearly as many women who are interested in taking their snowboarding to that level. This is anecdotal, but for example, among my friends, all the guys push themselves to go further and further, while all the girls are pretty content cruising down greens and blues. I think I'm one of the more serious learners among my girl friends, and even then, I have NO desire to backflip onto a rail, or double rodeo (or backflip) off of a kicker, like they show on videos that pop up here.

So really, it's our own fault that we're not doing crazy tricks... but I don't really care. I'm just out to have fun, my sense of accomplishment is personal. It would be cool to be a model/athlete like Torah Bright................... but eh whatever, who cares

EDIT: And I don't do pushups on my knees either. And I can do more pullups than many fat tubby guys in PE.

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Old 01-12-2012, 02:08 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Women in other sports have been able to compete at man's level.
This is patently false. There is a reason why men and women's sports are separated and it boils down to internal endocrine chemistry and biology. Just recently, Cristiane Santos was busted and stripped of her 145lb Strikeforce title because she tested positive for androgen stimulants. If you ever want to see even a shadow what a man competing against a woman directly would result in (especially in very direct arena, such as fighting), watch any of her bouts. She absolute demolishes other women and that's without the full androgen production capability and biology of a man.

Look at running, jumping, swimming etc. records for men are substantially greater than women. It's just biology. Male humans are evolved to perform physical laborious tasks. Sports are essentially just a series of physical tasks performed within a set of rules. To say women in other sports compete at a man's level is untrue and paints women athletes unwilling or incapable of working hard and achieving.

Snowboarding isn't as physical, but it certainly helps to have a physical advantage. Also, women's snowboarding, as a professional sport, is less developed than men's. At any rate, snowboarding isn't about being "the best". Competitions exist only to develop the sport's scope. The heart of snowboarding will always boil down to individuality and creativity.
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Less about strength and more about difference in center of gravity and strength distribution.

Women have a lower center of gravity. They are much stronger in their legs than their upper body. Where men can be really strong in both upper and lower body. I'm not talking about women being weaker here. I'm talking about the difference in strength ratio upper vs lower body.

Not sure exactly how this affects riding differences, but I place my bets there rather than just strength differences.
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I think this is also a large part of it. Although halfpipe/park snowboarding isn't the same as alpine racing, and they have different physical demands, you still don't see nearly as large as a skill gap in skiing as you do in snowboarding even though the physical differences are largely the same.

I think there just aren't nearly as many women who are interested in taking their snowboarding to that level. This is anecdotal, but for example, among my friends, all the guys push themselves to go further and further, while all the girls are pretty content cruising down greens and blues. I think I'm one of the more serious learners among my girl friends, and even then, I have NO desire to backflip onto a rail, or double rodeo (or backflip) off of a kicker, like they show on videos that pop up here.

So really, it's our own fault that we're not doing crazy tricks... but I don't really care. I'm just out to have fun, my sense of accomplishment is personal. It would be cool to be a model/athlete like Torah Bright................... but eh whatever, who cares

EDIT: And I don't do pushups on my knees either. And I can do more pullups than many fat tubby guys in PE.

I think you're right hihi! But why would it be that there aren't as many women who are interested in taking their snowboarding to that level and why we don't push ourselves to go further and further?
Simply because guys want to prove themselves? They want to impress people?
I really don't know, because I think there are lots of girls who want that too.
It's too easy to say that I think I am one of those girls, but I don't have the opportunity to prove that haha. But I think when I had lived in the mountains and could board everyday with the good guys, I would try so much more stricks. But like I said: that's easy to say because it's not what it is right now.
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This is patently false.
Glad you said it. Saved me the trouble.

And don't forget the South African runner last year (?) who turned out to be hermaphroditic. (S)he totally blew away the field. There's a reason why the Olympic committee has rules and regs about that stuff.

Any woman who really wants to can be better than most of the people of any gender on the mountain. But when you go into competition you're competing (hopefully) against people who want it and are willing to work for it as hard as you. Given equal motivation, time, commitment and training, men will do better than women in physical sports simply becuase of the biology.

But again, so what? This is not a moral issue, or an evaluation of true worth, or anything like that. At our level (well, at my level anyway) there are so many better snowboarders that it's pointless to do anything but go out, have fun, and try to get better.
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But again, so what? This is not a moral issue, or an evaluation of true worth, or anything like that. At our level (well, at my level anyway) there are so many better snowboarders that it's pointless to do anything but go out, have fun, and try to get better.
Truth. Watching videos of 16 year old kids hucking NBD switch backside triple 1440's and 17 and 18 year olds completely blow out the competition for x-games slopestyle podium spots makes me, at an age where athletes are considered absolutely prime, feel like I might have a few grays coming through.

Then I go ride and all and forget about all that.
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You both saved me the trouble it's not worth trying to explain any more.
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This is patently false. There is a reason why men and women's sports are separated...

To say women in other sports compete at a man's level is untrue and paints women athletes unwilling or incapable of working hard and achieving.
I must disagree here, since other sports have been mentioned. An exception is equestrian sports. There is no division based on gender here. Both men and women compete based on level of skill.

If you look at our (USET) Team riders, or the Team riders of most (competitive) countries, the majority are female. While equestrian sports in general have a greater number of female participants than male, at that level, if it were true that women were "unable" to compete at a man's level, there would be way less women dominating the sport.

It truly is a sport in which both men and women compete fairly. If anything, women have the physical advantage, as Leo's quote explains...

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Less about strength and more about difference in center of gravity and strength distribution.

Women have a lower center of gravity. They are much stronger in their legs than their upper body. Where men can be really strong in both upper and lower body. I'm not talking about women being weaker here. I'm talking about the difference in strength ratio upper vs lower body.

Not sure exactly how this affects riding differences, but I place my bets there rather than just strength differences.
And, add me to the list as another chick who has never done a push-up from the knees
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I must disagree here, since other sports have been mentioned. An exception is equestrian sports. There is no division based on gender here. Both men and women compete based on level of skill.

If you look at our (USET) Team riders, or the Team riders of most (competitive) countries, the majority are female. While equestrian sports in general have a greater number of female participants than male, at that level, if it were true that women were "unable" to compete at a man's level, there would be way less women dominating the sport.

It truly is a sport in which both men and women compete fairly. If anything, women have the physical advantage, as Leo's quote explains...



And, add me to the list as another chick who has never done a push-up from the knees
lol come on, the horse is the athelet. the rider is largly dependent on the animal. yes the rider is skilled and athletic, but the rider isn't jumping the rails.

a better example would be something like shooting where women have an advantage in fine motor skills, or gymnastics where they have a flexibility adv.

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I must disagree here, since other sports have been mentioned. An exception is equestrian sports. There is no division based on gender here. Both men and women compete based on level of skill.

seriously, thats your counter example to men being dominant at sports, horse riding, a sport where the HORSE does all of the work? well of course women are better, they weigh less so the horse does not have to work as hard to move around an extra body on them. A 225 lb guy will throw off the horse's balance and physical performance so much worse than a 145 lb woman.
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