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Old 01-12-2012, 11:05 PM   #41 (permalink)
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a better example would be something like shooting where women have an advantage in fine motor skills, or gymnastics where they have a flexibility adv.
Actually men have a distinct advantage in shooting because the higher upper-body mass and strength translates into better control of the recoil. Assuming we're talking firearms. But your main point I think is that in competitions where strength, size, and speed aren't a factor there will be little or no gender difference.

Your comment about fine motor skills gave me a chuckle though. I've noticed in discussions of gender differences that the following truism applies: All stated differences that favour men are sexist generalizations with no basis in reality; all stated differences that favour women are obviously true.
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Old 01-12-2012, 11:26 PM   #42 (permalink)
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lol come on, the horse is the athelet. the rider is largly dependent on the animal. yes the rider is skilled and athletic, but the rider isn't jumping the rails.
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seriously, thats your counter example to men being dominant at sports, horse riding, a sport where the HORSE does all of the work? well of course women are better, they weigh less so the horse does not have to work as hard to move around an extra body on them. A 225 lb guy will throw off the horse's balance and physical performance so much worse than a 145 lb woman.
I thought the horse factor might come up.

While I completely agree the horse is moreso the athlete, in this case, the athleticism and talent of the horse doesn't matter. If you take a female rider and a male rider, and they compete the same horse, the rider of greater skill will dominate. True, the rider isn't "jumping the rails" or riding the test, but the rider influences the horse. Set a horse free in a stadium course of 5-foot plus jumps, or a dressage ring, and the horse will likely meander around or just stand there Or, hop on an Olympic level horse. If you don't know what you're doing, the horse will not perform to its potential or training.

Weight of the (skilled) rider doesn't factor like you might think, apart from racing. But I'm talking about Olympic level equestrain sport. There are lighter and heavier riders, sure, but it's their skill and athleticism affecting and navigating ~1200lbs of horse.

I get why people think it is easier than it appears, or that it's the horse doing all the work. The appearance of "ease" is a goal in most disciplines. Unless you've actually ridden (and I'm not talking about "tourist" kind of riding on trails or beaches where the horse knows the drill), it's easy to underestimate the rider's ability and influence on the horse.

Think of it this way: It's almost like saying how in snowboarding, rider>board.
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I thought the horse factor might come up.

While I completely agree the horse is moreso the athlete, in this case, the athleticism and talent of the horse doesn't matter. If you take a female rider and a male rider, and they compete the same horse, the rider of greater skill will dominate. True, the rider isn't "jumping the rails" or riding the test, but the rider influences the horse. Set a horse free in a stadium course of 5-foot plus jumps, or a dressage ring, and the horse will likely meander around or just stand there Or, hop on an Olympic level horse. If you don't know what you're doing, the horse will not perform to its potential or training.

Weight of the (skilled) rider doesn't factor like you might think, apart from racing. But I'm talking about Olympic level equestrain sport. There are lighter and heavier riders, sure, but it's their skill and athleticism affecting and navigating ~1200lbs of horse.

I get why people think it is easier than it appears, or that it's the horse doing all the work. The appearance of "ease" is a goal in most disciplines. Unless you've actually ridden (and I'm not talking about "tourist" kind of riding on trails or beaches where the horse knows the drill), it's easy to underestimate the rider's ability and influence on the horse.

Think of it this way: It's almost like saying how in snowboarding, rider>board.
do equestrian's ride male or female horses?
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Actually men have a distinct advantage in shooting because the higher upper-body mass and strength translates into better control of the recoil. Assuming we're talking firearms. But your main point I think is that in competitions where strength, size, and speed aren't a factor there will be little or no gender difference.

Your comment about fine motor skills gave me a chuckle though. I've noticed in discussions of gender differences that the following truism applies: All stated differences that favour men are sexist generalizations with no basis in reality; all stated differences that favour women are obviously true.
lol ya back in university these discussions were epic (i play basketball), some of the girls would get so mad.

im sure it would be easier to make the guys mad if you were comparing something that women had a distinct advantage in... like dish washing. AHHHAHAHAHHA sorry i couldn't resist. i don't actually mean it. i do dishes all the time.
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Horse racing? Are you fucking serious? Shit I bet that there are more women professional checkers players too. How about something like car or motorcycle racing? Nope even the 4 foot nothing butch can't win a Nascar race. Don't even get me started on REAL racing(sorry rednecks going in a circle isn't racing). I think that is more so that women can't drive than lack of physical ability.
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do equestrian's ride male or female horses?
We ride both male and female horses (stallions, geldings, and mares respectively).

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Horse racing?
I'm more specifically talking about Olympic equestrian sport disciplines, NOT horse racing (as I mentioned above...). However, there are female jockeys and trainers in racing, but there are less women than men in horse racing.

Regardless, both men and women compete together (even in racing). There isn't a division of the sport based on human gender, which is my main point.
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I thought the horse factor might come up.

While I completely agree the horse is moreso the athlete, in this case, the athleticism and talent of the horse doesn't matter. If you take a female rider and a male rider, and they compete the same horse, the rider of greater skill will dominate. True, the rider isn't "jumping the rails" or riding the test, but the rider influences the horse. Set a horse free in a stadium course of 5-foot plus jumps, or a dressage ring, and the horse will likely meander around or just stand there Or, hop on an Olympic level horse. If you don't know what you're doing, the horse will not perform to its potential or training.

Weight of the (skilled) rider doesn't factor like you might think, apart from racing. But I'm talking about Olympic level equestrain sport. There are lighter and heavier riders, sure, but it's their skill and athleticism affecting and navigating ~1200lbs of horse.

I get why people think it is easier than it appears, or that it's the horse doing all the work. The appearance of "ease" is a goal in most disciplines. Unless you've actually ridden (and I'm not talking about "tourist" kind of riding on trails or beaches where the horse knows the drill), it's easy to underestimate the rider's ability and influence on the horse.

Think of it this way: It's almost like saying how in snowboarding, rider>board.
To what degree does equestrianism require athleticism? Of course they make it look "easy" but that's irrelevant. If I go on youtube and look up trick beer pong shots, they make them look easy, too. That doesn't mean it requires athletic talent outside a very small scope of the total range of attributes encompassing athleticism.

Not to sound offensive, but I doubt Equestrianism requires athleticism to the scope or breadth of even sport/activities such as golf or table tennis, much less major team sports.

This whole debate is a bit silly and now devolved into semantics. Men, biologically (on the average) simply are built to do things which require great physical exertion. It's pretty simple. It's almost as plain as saying "Men are better at having penises than women."

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To what degree does equestrianism require athleticism? Of course they make it look "easy" but that's irrelevant. If I go on youtube and look up trick beer pong shots, they make them look easy, too. That doesn't mean it requires athletic talent outside a very small scope of the total range of attributes encompassing athleticism.

Not to sound offensive, but I doubt Equestrianism requires athleticism to the scope or breadth of even sport/activities such as golf or table tennis, much less major team sports.

This whole debate is a bit silly and now devolved into semantics. Men, biologically (on the average) simply are built to do things which require great physical exertion. It's pretty simple. It's almost as plain as saying "Men are better at having penises than women."
I knew a fat chick that won all types of competitions for it.....you don't have to be athletic in any way.
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