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Old 01-27-2012, 07:52 AM   #21 (permalink)
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So I've been stewing on this since Wednesday.
For all of you that said I'm not rotating my head your correct. Mo pics just going off memory.
I ride Goofy doing FS 360 off heel edge. So I am winding up,I turn my head to face my left shoulder and then pop and then rotate off the lip of the jump.

Here is the issue (I think) once the jump comes into view I stop looking. Which turns out to be 180* of my head and only 90* of my board, hence not getting ANY rotation and landing toe side up the hill perpendicular to the jump and hill.

Without pics and all my explanations here and before does this sound right??
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Old 01-27-2012, 08:12 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Some things aren't adding up. For the record I'm a goofy rider as well. You said your head is facing your LEFT shoulder when you wind up. This means your head is looking up hill and away from the jump's lip? That would mean you are having to guess on when to pop. You also said you are landing perpendicular to the jump with your toeside up hill. If you were doing a FS spin that would be at least a 270. Not just 90 like you said.

When riding goofy (right foot forward) and doing a frontside spin (clockwise when viewed from above)you want to wind your torso and arms to the left but keep you head forward. Just have it more pinned to your right shoulder. As you rise up to pop you unwind. As you unwind you should keep you head in the same position relative to your right shoulder. By the time your board leaves the snow you should be looking almost completely toward your heel edge. Hold that position and keep you arms tucked in until you can spot your landing.
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Old 01-27-2012, 02:51 PM   #23 (permalink)
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You are correct on the 270 my bad there. I am turning my head while I prewind, guess I shouldn't be then. Makes sense the way you stated it
So really I'm not that far off. I will definately work on my form and try to lock that in.
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Old 01-27-2012, 03:48 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Go to 6:55 and you can watch his head for a FS spin.
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Old 01-27-2012, 08:27 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I see that and in all my other SA video's. Really, no reason why I was rotating my head back other than natural body mechanics in trying to over wind and beginner mistake....
The not seeing the lip of the jump was a huge point.

Also by me looking back I lost all that wound up energy in my body not allowing me to rotate around.
I'm gonna try to get out tomorrow for a few hours and really work this to see if I can't correct that issue. Funny thing is, when I do it on dry land I was not looking back. I guess nerves and high expectations got the best of me on the hill.
Just shows how new I am to park and still lots to learn.

This is why I'm glad members of our forum are so helpful. I never would have picked that up in just me writing it in a thread.
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This thread is straight up ridiculous. Listen OP... you're not going to be able to think your way through the 360 by analyzing every single movement you may or may not have made. All you have to do is spend hours and hours out there on the hill trying to chuck 3s off every single thing you find. You're going to eat shit over and over and over and over but eventually you'll get the hang of it. Snowboarding isn't something you can learn by talking about it or by watching videos all day. Nothing is more valuable in the process than spending all the time you possibly can out on the hill
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Old 02-02-2012, 02:16 PM   #27 (permalink)
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This thread is straight up ridiculous. Listen OP... you're not going to be able to think your way through the 360 by analyzing every single movement you may or may not have made. All you have to do is spend hours and hours out there on the hill trying to chuck 3s off every single thing you find. You're going to eat shit over and over and over and over but eventually you'll get the hang of it. Snowboarding isn't something you can learn by talking about it or by watching videos all day. Nothing is more valuable in the process than spending all the time you possibly can out on the hill
True and at the same time, not true. Over the internet, it's hard to correct specific things without video, so what you say is true. And at the same time, putting all that stuff together is mostly forcing your muscles to learn the timing, space and motions.

But, there are specific mechanics that are used to spin efficiently and stylishly and all freestylers use the same basic mechanics with small variations. So if you are able to correct specific details, it can oftentimes lead to drastic improvements and for the aforementioned reason.

OP, don't wind up with your head, just your shoulders and core. When you release your snap, you lock your hips, knees, core and shoulders all together and this happens the same time you pop off the lip and look over your lead shoulder, chin to your lead shoulder. I promise if you get the timing right and have a set up turn like Cr0 pointed a picture of, you will be able to spin. Don't think about all the stuff as you are coming into the lip, just do it. After you do it, then post critique to figure out which element you did well and didn't do well.

One way to cheat and get a headstart before you even get to the mountain is to jump a bunch of 3's with your board in your house. Just don't whack any walls/furniture, you can do some real damage. Put the SA video (or any other video where you can pretend to time with the riding coming off the lip) and practice that way. It does work, as stupid as it sounds.

Good luck.
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Old 02-02-2012, 10:15 PM   #28 (permalink)
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This thread is straight up ridiculous. Listen OP... you're not going to be able to think your way through the 360 by analyzing every single movement you may or may not have made. All you have to do is spend hours and hours out there on the hill trying to chuck 3s off every single thing you find. You're going to eat shit over and over and over and over but eventually you'll get the hang of it. Snowboarding isn't something you can learn by talking about it or by watching videos all day. Nothing is more valuable in the process than spending all the time you possibly can out on the hill
to use your own words "This <thread> is straight up ridiculous" why would anyone just go chuck themselves and "eat shit over and over and over and over" when you can spend a little time learning proper technique from people who know what they are doing and can teach someone safely and wisely.

Also it's not a good idea to create all that BAD muscle memory of failed 360's by Chucking 3's unsuccessfully.

By analyzing what I did and sharing it with fellow members here it WAS pointed out that I had my head turned the wrong direction. I may have kept at that till I finally got a 3 and it would have been a long, slow, painful process and a very ugly 360. I would much rather not learn one than do it sloppy forever. I have been studying other riders at our hill and the few that do great 3's all have a great set-up turn, good solid rotation and landing. All of which I would never have known what to look for or watch to learn from

At this time in my life it would be unwise to risk my job, my families well being, and the memories I'm creating with my boys riding to be sidelined by an injury that could have possibly been prevented.

The only smart thing that came from your helpful post was "Nothing is more valuable in the process than spending all the time you possibly can out on the hill"
I agree that sitting watching videos will not make me a snowboarder, it will help me to get closer to doing a 3 safely and if I never get one that is fine to.
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This thread is straight up ridiculous. Listen OP... you're not going to be able to think your way through the 360 by analyzing every single movement you may or may not have made. All you have to do is spend hours and hours out there on the hill trying to chuck 3s off every single thing you find. You're going to eat shit over and over and over and over but eventually you'll get the hang of it. Snowboarding isn't something you can learn by talking about it or by watching videos all day. Nothing is more valuable in the process than spending all the time you possibly can out on the hill
That is an interesting position considering you are the same person that started this thread - Why do I suck so much?

Different people learn differently. I agree that some people spend too much time on the forums overthinking things, but on the other end... just hucking yourself off jumps doesn't work for people who aren't natural athletes that pick things up intuitively.

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Ok I thought it over and i'm going to reformat my question a bit.

I want to progress quickly, but every time I push myself a bit outside my comfort zone, I come very close to seriously injuring myself. If I say, OK i'm going to try and throw a FS 360 off this small 10' kicker, I go ahead and try it but I'll either do a 270 and wash out or I'll catch an edge and really bite it hard. Its like there's no inbetween. I'm either just riding the hill, doing the usual boring stuff, or i'm trying to progress and injuring myself. I don't see how its a confidence issue if i'm willing to sacrifice my body for progression

edit: on a more positive note here's some pics of me at vail yesterday

Maybe you should take some tips from this very thread, in stead of telling him to do exactly what isnt working for you
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