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Old 02-05-2012, 11:41 AM   #21 (permalink)
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which is better? pop or ollie?
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Old 02-05-2012, 11:43 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Depends what you're doing. Popping is better for spinning off jumps and ollie is better for some jibs that are high up. It is possible to ollie and spin off a jump though. It is sorta hard though. It makes me off balance unless it is just a 180.
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Old 02-05-2012, 09:09 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Im not butthurt about it, but ive heard it used both ways and since the term originated in skateboarding, and most park/street riding/terminology originated in skateboarding that the terminology i was using was correct (which i still think it is by the way).

And i honestly wouldnt ever want to take an AASI exam because i ride for fun and not to be an expert at it.
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Im not butthurt about it, but ive heard it used both ways and since the term originated in skateboarding, and most park/street riding/terminology originated in skateboarding that the terminology i was using was correct (which i still think it is by the way).
well its not.
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so what else would you call it when you jump with both feet at the same time? im pretty curious since you dont believe we are using the term correctly
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so what else would you call it when you jump with both feet at the same time? im pretty curious since you dont believe we are using the term correctly
Well in skateboarding its called pumping. you pump through the transition and let the centrifugal force propel you into the air but ive only ridden about 5000 halfpipes and bowls so
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Well in skateboarding its called pumping. you pump through the transition and let the centrifugal force propel you into the air but ive only ridden about 5000 halfpipes and bowls so
well sorry to say but we "stole" pumping from you skaters already and it causes a completely different reaction then "popping" does. in a half pipe that works but thats only because you actually DONT wanna pop like you would off a jump since that would cause you to land in the middle of the pipe. on a jump if you were to just pump through the transition like you describe it you would actually LOSE airtime and shoot straight across the jump, which is what border cross racers do. but what do i know, ive only coached freestyle for over 5 years.
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Frontside and backside slides in skating are way different than in snowboarding. Hell, there is no backside boardslides......as far as I know.
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That is fine but then you also need to consider this when giving advice as it may not be technically correct or the best method for someone looking to progress. There is a logical reason why instructors train and test and that is so they use time tested best result methods to help people learn to become better and better riders. Besides, learning to ride well and "correctly" from an efficiency standpoint is actually fun and overall it makes you a better rider and being a better rider makes riding even more fun. Anyone on this site that has ridden with me can tell you that I have fun when riding and I do not always ride text book AASI when riding for fun. But when teaching, it is the best approach to improve other people's riding.
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5,000 huh?......ummmmm..... okay if you say so......

Seriously though, we use the term "pumping" in snowboarding too and it means something different as well. Pumping, as in pumping the transition in a half pipe is a gradual, steady extension of the lower body used to carry speed farther up the wall. This extension results in a little bit of lateral force on the board resulting in a little more forward speed. Even in free riding, you " pump" in order to glide up over a small rise or even in the flats.

In order to not loose speed when hitting a kicker, a rider will "pump" the transition in order to maintain maximum forward momentum. When you flex and absorb a transition in the pipe or anywhere else, you loose momentum. Once again another example where two different sports can use the same word to describe different actions and neither are wrong. The sports do not own the copyright to the words if the English language.

It is really best if people understand that while similar in many ways, skateboarding and snowboarding ARE two distinctly different sports and use their own terminology, just accept it and learn the different meanings as they apply to each. Besides, it may piss you off, but skiing and snowboarding have more in common than skateboarding and snowboarding.....
Ok maybe not 5,000..but a lot!

I see what you mean now. i need to adjust my train of thought to understand the terminology differently. When i see someone mention pop on here i automatically think of skateboard pop because thats what i grew up knowing it as, and i am fairly new to snowboarding.

As for the pumping tranny thing. On park jumps what i do is i make my setup turns, then i pump through the transition and try to time it right so my legs are fully extended right as i launch off the lip. This usually shoots me pretty high if i get the timing right. Should i not even bother to pump the transition and wait to just "pop" at the lip of the jump for better results? Again, with my skate background i never really even thought of doing it this way.
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