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snowklinger · 02-07-2012, 01:06 AM

Alot of kids lack the maturity to know they have a cool dad, don't feel bad about that either. (flashback like 10 years ago when the Osbournes was on tv)Even Ozzy's kids, in front of friends, roll their eyes and act like their dad is a giant turd, which obviously has everything to do with them being kids and nothing to do with whether or not Ozzy is cool

john doe · 02-07-2012, 07:40 AM

He needs to start trying to do nose grabs. Sure, he may land sideways a few times but then he will see he is starting off sideways.

Did you ever suggest to him the exercise I suggested in the previous thread?

MsLizzie · 02-07-2012, 08:19 AM

Mm, this might come too late and as more of an afterthought, but I think kids always want to feel equal to their parents and teenagers even more so.. (and yes yes, I know, not possible, but it doesn't stop them from wanting it). Therefore having to receive tips from parents/older siblings often makes them feel even more inferior than they already do. So I agree, a park session with someone closer to his age would be perfect (though it would have to be served on a platter of "other kids are doin' it too"). And other than I would say just go and have fun WITH him - when you do the things he does and he sees that he is not the only one messing up, it might help him to relate to you more easily.

In any case, I agree, it's really cool that you care, so don't let this little hickup stop you! Just don't do all the work for him in that caring department, let him do some of it - you might be surprised

wrathfuldeity · 02-07-2012, 01:39 PM

Teens hate to be told what to do. So another approach is to ask them; by playing the humble but dumb ass old geezer. So the trick is to frame the question well.

An example: "Son, I've been trying to hit that jump, but when I go off, I think I open my shoulders and then get twisted up and eat it toe edge on the landing. What do you think I could do?...How do you keep your shoulder's closed during the approach and take-off?"

Its kind along the line of old med school...see one, do one, teach one. It's at the teach one stage where a person really learns their shit by trying to explain or show it to another person.

slyder · 02-07-2012, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wrathfuldeity

An example: "Son, I've been trying to hit that jump, but when I go off, I think I open my shoulders and then get twisted up and eat it toe edge on the landing. What do you think I could do?...How do you keep your shoulder's closed during the approach and take-off?"

Great idea to ask his help for me to encourage dialogue, wish I would have tried this a while back. I'm still not sure if he knows or quite understands what opening shoulders actually means and he knows I land all the jumps so not sure this would work.

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Originally Posted by John Doe

Did you ever suggest to him the exercise I suggested in the previous thread?

John, he really shuts down when I try to get the conversation or point out tips to him so I never had the opportunity to suggest it. It is a great tip and I am still trying this to help me.

At this point I'm gonna ask if he would like to get a "park coach" not entirely sure how to phrase it. Seems to be a balancing act, as to not make him mad or shut down....

Thanks for all the support from everyone on this subject even though it's so similar to the other post and helping me support my kids. I truly enjoy riding with them and spending time with them and I hope they enjoy this time too. They might realize it later in life and that is fine with me. Looking back and saying I really enjoyed that time as a kid riding with my dad. My fear is next year the oldest starts to drive and I know he will want to ride with his buddies more, so hoping he will still have time for "ole Dad"

dreampow · 02-07-2012, 07:33 PM

In my experience kids do the opposite of what parents tell them (I did).

So just tell him to open his shoulders up even more and stand up as tall as possible

.

Seriously a clinic is a good idea, a younger cool looking rider will be the ideal coach (who has some skills obviously).
Or a nice looking young lady coach?

slyder · 02-07-2012, 07:52 PM

We are supposed to go to the best hill in our state if the oldest gets released from his injury.
Maybe I can use this to encourage a coach. It will help in your fun at Granite Peak I can tell him. Sell it on the fun we'd have at the best hill in our area.

Sound like it is phrased/work???

slyder · 02-08-2012, 06:36 AM

That is a great idea, as it would be new for both of us, since mine are terrible to start with. We do have some very good small rollers that this would be perfect on. We are going Saturday and I will try this.

That's a trick he hasn't tried and I will phrase it that BS is way cooler. If he doesn't want to try a BS 180 for himself he can spot me and I can use open shoulder form to help him see it like you suggest and I would probably wash out anyway. Giving him the chance to watch and see how important form is and like you said hoping the light goes on.

Since your thinking cap is on, any suggestions how I start.

closed shoulders or open?
No knee bend?
lack of rotation?

***I need to be a careful as to not mock his riding technique. Man, who knew teaching a simple straight air would be so complicated....***

another tool in the arsenal of teaching tips !!!

john doe · 02-08-2012, 07:15 AM

Mock his riding technique. He doesn't even know he is doing what he is. You could just start doing jumps like him and falling. Act like you lost how to do a jump. Then ask for him to watch you and tell you what you are doing wrong. With the BS 180 attempt technique I just see him trying to spin while still facing forward. He will do a BS 90 land on his heel edge, and knock him self out.

nomembername · 02-08-2012, 04:16 PM

You ever think about getting him on here to look at the tips, tricks forum and watch some videos?

If he knew someone with Cro's ability was giving him advice im sure he would be more inclined to follow it, rather than from his dad who isnt a park-expert. No 14 yr old wants to be told what to do by their dad. That wont happen until he leaves the house and hes calling you up to figure out how you did it all these years.

02-07-2012, 01:06 AM	#21 (permalink)
snowklinger Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: fuck boulder Posts: 2,805	Alot of kids lack the maturity to know they have a cool dad, don't feel bad about that either. (flashback like 10 years ago when the Osbournes was on tv)Even Ozzy's kids, in front of friends, roll their eyes and act like their dad is a giant turd, which obviously has everything to do with them being kids and nothing to do with whether or not Ozzy is cool __________________ is it late october yet?

02-07-2012, 07:40 AM	#22 (permalink)
john doe Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 1,245	He needs to start trying to do nose grabs. Sure, he may land sideways a few times but then he will see he is starting off sideways. Did you ever suggest to him the exercise I suggested in the previous thread? __________________ 2011 Smokin Buck Ferton 155 2013 Flow NX2-SE 2013 Flow Hylite boa Burton Stagger pants/jacket Smith I/O

02-07-2012, 01:39 PM	#24 (permalink)
wrathfuldeity Resident poet Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bham Posts: 2,699	Teens hate to be told what to do. So another approach is to ask them; by playing the humble but dumb ass old geezer. So the trick is to frame the question well. An example: "Son, I've been trying to hit that jump, but when I go off, I think I open my shoulders and then get twisted up and eat it toe edge on the landing. What do you think I could do?...How do you keep your shoulder's closed during the approach and take-off?" Its kind along the line of old med school...see one, do one, teach one. It's at the teach one stage where a person really learns their shit by trying to explain or show it to another person. __________________

02-07-2012, 07:33 PM	#26 (permalink)
dreampow Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Kyoto Japan Posts: 1,055	In my experience kids do the opposite of what parents tell them (I did). So just tell him to open his shoulders up even more and stand up as tall as possible. Seriously a clinic is a good idea, a younger cool looking rider will be the ideal coach (who has some skills obviously). Or a nice looking young lady coach?

02-07-2012, 07:52 PM	#27 (permalink)
slyder Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Milwaukee Suburbs Posts: 1,918	We are supposed to go to the best hill in our state if the oldest gets released from his injury. Maybe I can use this to encourage a coach. It will help in your fun at Granite Peak I can tell him. Sell it on the fun we'd have at the best hill in our area. Sound like it is phrased/work??? __________________ Thanks -Slyder

02-07-2012, 08:19 AM	#23 (permalink)
MsLizzie Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 9	Mm, this might come too late and as more of an afterthought, but I think kids always want to feel equal to their parents and teenagers even more so.. (and yes yes, I know, not possible, but it doesn't stop them from wanting it). Therefore having to receive tips from parents/older siblings often makes them feel even more inferior than they already do. So I agree, a park session with someone closer to his age would be perfect (though it would have to be served on a platter of "other kids are doin' it too"). And other than I would say just go and have fun WITH him - when you do the things he does and he sees that he is not the only one messing up, it might help him to relate to you more easily. In any case, I agree, it's really cool that you care, so don't let this little hickup stop you! Just don't do all the work for him in that caring department, let him do some of it - you might be surprised

02-08-2012, 06:36 AM	#28 (permalink)
slyder Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Milwaukee Suburbs Posts: 1,918	That is a great idea, as it would be new for both of us, since mine are terrible to start with. We do have some very good small rollers that this would be perfect on. We are going Saturday and I will try this. That's a trick he hasn't tried and I will phrase it that BS is way cooler. If he doesn't want to try a BS 180 for himself he can spot me and I can use open shoulder form to help him see it like you suggest and I would probably wash out anyway. Giving him the chance to watch and see how important form is and like you said hoping the light goes on. Since your thinking cap is on, any suggestions how I start. closed shoulders or open? No knee bend? lack of rotation? *****I need to be a careful as to not mock his riding technique. Man, who knew teaching a simple straight air would be so complicated....* another tool in the arsenal of teaching tips !!! __________________ Thanks -Slyder Last edited by slyder; 02-08-2012 at 06:41 AM.

02-08-2012, 07:15 AM	#29 (permalink)
john doe Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 1,245	Mock his riding technique. He doesn't even know he is doing what he is. You could just start doing jumps like him and falling. Act like you lost how to do a jump. Then ask for him to watch you and tell you what you are doing wrong. With the BS 180 attempt technique I just see him trying to spin while still facing forward. He will do a BS 90 land on his heel edge, and knock him self out. __________________ 2011 Smokin Buck Ferton 155 2013 Flow NX2-SE 2013 Flow Hylite boa Burton Stagger pants/jacket Smith I/O

02-08-2012, 04:16 PM	#30 (permalink)
nomembername Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 73	You ever think about getting him on here to look at the tips, tricks forum and watch some videos? If he knew someone with Cro's ability was giving him advice im sure he would be more inclined to follow it, rather than from his dad who isnt a park-expert. No 14 yr old wants to be told what to do by their dad. That wont happen until he leaves the house and hes calling you up to figure out how you did it all these years.

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