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Old 02-07-2012, 02:06 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Alot of kids lack the maturity to know they have a cool dad, don't feel bad about that either. (flashback like 10 years ago when the Osbournes was on tv)Even Ozzy's kids, in front of friends, roll their eyes and act like their dad is a giant turd, which obviously has everything to do with them being kids and nothing to do with whether or not Ozzy is cool
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Old 02-07-2012, 08:40 AM   #22 (permalink)
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He needs to start trying to do nose grabs. Sure, he may land sideways a few times but then he will see he is starting off sideways.

Did you ever suggest to him the exercise I suggested in the previous thread?
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Old 02-07-2012, 09:19 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Mm, this might come too late and as more of an afterthought, but I think kids always want to feel equal to their parents and teenagers even more so.. (and yes yes, I know, not possible, but it doesn't stop them from wanting it). Therefore having to receive tips from parents/older siblings often makes them feel even more inferior than they already do. So I agree, a park session with someone closer to his age would be perfect (though it would have to be served on a platter of "other kids are doin' it too"). And other than I would say just go and have fun WITH him - when you do the things he does and he sees that he is not the only one messing up, it might help him to relate to you more easily.

In any case, I agree, it's really cool that you care, so don't let this little hickup stop you! Just don't do all the work for him in that caring department, let him do some of it - you might be surprised
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Old 02-07-2012, 02:39 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Teens hate to be told what to do. So another approach is to ask them; by playing the humble but dumb ass old geezer. So the trick is to frame the question well.

An example: "Son, I've been trying to hit that jump, but when I go off, I think I open my shoulders and then get twisted up and eat it toe edge on the landing. What do you think I could do?...How do you keep your shoulder's closed during the approach and take-off?"

Its kind along the line of old med school...see one, do one, teach one. It's at the teach one stage where a person really learns their shit by trying to explain or show it to another person.
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Old 02-07-2012, 08:21 PM   #25 (permalink)
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An example: "Son, I've been trying to hit that jump, but when I go off, I think I open my shoulders and then get twisted up and eat it toe edge on the landing. What do you think I could do?...How do you keep your shoulder's closed during the approach and take-off?"
Great idea to ask his help for me to encourage dialogue, wish I would have tried this a while back. I'm still not sure if he knows or quite understands what opening shoulders actually means and he knows I land all the jumps so not sure this would work.

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Did you ever suggest to him the exercise I suggested in the previous thread?
John, he really shuts down when I try to get the conversation or point out tips to him so I never had the opportunity to suggest it. It is a great tip and I am still trying this to help me.

At this point I'm gonna ask if he would like to get a "park coach" not entirely sure how to phrase it. Seems to be a balancing act, as to not make him mad or shut down....

Thanks for all the support from everyone on this subject even though it's so similar to the other post and helping me support my kids. I truly enjoy riding with them and spending time with them and I hope they enjoy this time too. They might realize it later in life and that is fine with me. Looking back and saying I really enjoyed that time as a kid riding with my dad. My fear is next year the oldest starts to drive and I know he will want to ride with his buddies more, so hoping he will still have time for "ole Dad"
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Old 02-07-2012, 08:33 PM   #26 (permalink)
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In my experience kids do the opposite of what parents tell them (I did).

So just tell him to open his shoulders up even more and stand up as tall as possible.

Seriously a clinic is a good idea, a younger cool looking rider will be the ideal coach (who has some skills obviously).
Or a nice looking young lady coach?
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Old 02-07-2012, 08:52 PM   #27 (permalink)
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We are supposed to go to the best hill in our state if the oldest gets released from his injury.
Maybe I can use this to encourage a coach. It will help in your fun at Granite Peak I can tell him. Sell it on the fun we'd have at the best hill in our area.

Sound like it is phrased/work???
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Old 02-08-2012, 07:36 AM   #28 (permalink)
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That is a great idea, as it would be new for both of us, since mine are terrible to start with. We do have some very good small rollers that this would be perfect on. We are going Saturday and I will try this.

That's a trick he hasn't tried and I will phrase it that BS is way cooler. If he doesn't want to try a BS 180 for himself he can spot me and I can use open shoulder form to help him see it like you suggest and I would probably wash out anyway. Giving him the chance to watch and see how important form is and like you said hoping the light goes on.

Since your thinking cap is on, any suggestions how I start.
  • closed shoulders or open?
  • No knee bend?
  • lack of rotation?

***I need to be a careful as to not mock his riding technique. Man, who knew teaching a simple straight air would be so complicated....***

another tool in the arsenal of teaching tips !!!
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Mock his riding technique. He doesn't even know he is doing what he is. You could just start doing jumps like him and falling. Act like you lost how to do a jump. Then ask for him to watch you and tell you what you are doing wrong. With the BS 180 attempt technique I just see him trying to spin while still facing forward. He will do a BS 90 land on his heel edge, and knock him self out.
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Old 02-08-2012, 05:16 PM   #30 (permalink)
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You ever think about getting him on here to look at the tips, tricks forum and watch some videos?

If he knew someone with Cro's ability was giving him advice im sure he would be more inclined to follow it, rather than from his dad who isnt a park-expert. No 14 yr old wants to be told what to do by their dad. That wont happen until he leaves the house and hes calling you up to figure out how you did it all these years.
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