Ankle pain - Snowboarding Forum

aiidoneus · 02-21-2012, 03:21 PM

This season I really wanted to improve my carving (not scarves). They have improved significantly. However, as I have gotten better I have noticed ankle pain in my lead foot. It is on the outside of my foot, just below the ankle bone.

I mostly notice the pain at the end of the day. But it is not the same as a tired muscle soreness. The odd time I notice a little bit of pain in the ankle when on my toeside, pushing my knees into down and into the hill. I tend to need to really push my knees apart, but I find this is almost twisting my ankle awkwardly.

Anyone else had this issue? I am thinking it is one of two things. Either I am trying to get my knees too far apart, or possibly just overuse.

On a side note, I had a friend who is a level 3 instructor look at my form. He did not complain about lower body position, mostly just that I can improve my back position on heelside.

Setup:
Board: NS Proto CT 154
Bindings: Burton Cartels (2012)
Boots: Size 10, Burton Rulers (2012)
Stance: 22"
Angles: was +18/-18, moved to +15/-15
Weight: 145 lbs
Shoulder Width: 19"

I do a lot of switch riding, so I really like to keep the same angles.

**boarderaholic** · 02-21-2012, 03:25 PM

If the evaluator did not mention form with your lower body, it might be worth it to fiddle around a little bit with your binding angles. Also, how strong are your ankles? That *may* play a small roll in the pain and strengthening might help alleviate the discomfort.

element · 02-21-2012, 03:33 PM

i have a similar issue. I also ride close to as much switch as regular... with similar - but not as aggressive a setup on the angle... also using burton ruler boots (2011 model i think...)

I found that my boot started to press into that area just below the front foot's umm... under ankle bone... bone.

I've wanted to just heat up the boot and push that area out more. Or even reduce some of the padding/pressure in that area inside the liner... not sure which to try - or if both are a bad idea, tho the latter would be more permanent for the burton rulers.

aiidoneus · 02-21-2012, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boarderaholic

If the evaluator did not mention form with your lower body, it might be worth it to fiddle around a little bit with your binding angles. Also, how strong are your ankles? That *may* play a small roll in the pain and strengthening might help alleviate the discomfort.

I am by no means an olympic athlete, but I am pretty active. In the summer, I bike, run, and longboard. Winter is pretty much 100% snowboard, roughly 3 hours a day, and all weekend.

One thing I did forget, this past summer I did mildly sprain my right foot (lead foot). However, it was near the start and never noticed any pain with my other activities. So it could be still weak in certain areas, and now that I have gotten better I am stressing that area.

I have scaled my angles back, but I only spent one day at +15/-15. Since it was already sore, I doubt I would have seen an instant recovery. Going to keep them this way for a few days and see how it goes.

The pain isn't terrible, but it has got a worse. This weekend was family day (Canadian long weekend), so I put a solid 4 days of riding in.

aiidoneus · 02-21-2012, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by element

i have a similar issue. I also ride close to as much switch as regular... with similar - but not as aggressive a setup on the angle... also using burton ruler boots (2011 model i think...)

I found that my boot started to press into that area just below the front foot's umm... under ankle bone... bone.

I've wanted to just heat up the boot and push that area out more. Or even reduce some of the padding/pressure in that area inside the liner... not sure which to try - or if both are a bad idea, tho the latter would be more permanent for the burton rulers.

Does the 2011 model have optional j-bars? I wonder if that is causing some pressure.

element · 02-21-2012, 04:30 PM

i'm at +12/-12 on my end....
I'm getting the feeling that the constant bending is pushing a bit harder on the front foot - which aggravates the area under the ankle bone after a full day or 2 of boarding... you don't feel anything from your boots?

To your 2nd question... No optional jbars on mine, they're quite mandatorily attached and puffed out into the "under ankle" area in question

element · 02-22-2012, 06:58 AM

does the 2012 have a place for JBAR inserts?
Here's what my inliners look like:

the grey deal's pretty well glued on there from the start.

aiidoneus · 02-22-2012, 07:13 AM

Yep, and that is were I get the pain.

element · 02-22-2012, 08:21 AM

for me - last sprain was years and years ago - before I started boarding.

This isn't cramps on my side, but actually a very sore spot on the outside of the foot, on that little bone that protrudes just under the big ankle bone... if that makes any sense...

element · 02-22-2012, 08:31 AM

i believe what makes the big ankle bone on the outside is the fibula. So right below that - there is a protrusion (differing in size from person to person) that appears to be from the calcaneus:

Pic - courtesy of here: Ankle Anatomy - Orthogate

So assuming that's correct, the calcaneus is where i'm feelin this unhappiness.

I can see it now - kid falls over on the mountain, grabs his boot, and starts screeming "owww, my calcaneus! my calcaneus!!!"

02-21-2012, 03:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
aiidoneus -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 333	Ankle pain This season I really wanted to improve my carving (not scarves). They have improved significantly. However, as I have gotten better I have noticed ankle pain in my lead foot. It is on the outside of my foot, just below the ankle bone. I mostly notice the pain at the end of the day. But it is not the same as a tired muscle soreness. The odd time I notice a little bit of pain in the ankle when on my toeside, pushing my knees into down and into the hill. I tend to need to really push my knees apart, but I find this is almost twisting my ankle awkwardly. Anyone else had this issue? I am thinking it is one of two things. Either I am trying to get my knees too far apart, or possibly just overuse. On a side note, I had a friend who is a level 3 instructor look at my form. He did not complain about lower body position, mostly just that I can improve my back position on heelside. Setup: Board: NS Proto CT 154 Bindings: Burton Cartels (2012) Boots: Size 10, Burton Rulers (2012) Stance: 22" Angles: was +18/-18, moved to +15/-15 Weight: 145 lbs Shoulder Width: 19" I do a lot of switch riding, so I really like to keep the same angles.

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02-21-2012, 03:25 PM	#2 (permalink)
boarderaholic Moderator Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Edmonton Posts: 2,064	If the evaluator did not mention form with your lower body, it might be worth it to fiddle around a little bit with your binding angles. Also, how strong are your ankles? That may play a small roll in the pain and strengthening might help alleviate the discomfort.

02-21-2012, 03:33 PM	#3 (permalink)
element Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 87	i have a similar issue. I also ride close to as much switch as regular... with similar - but not as aggressive a setup on the angle... also using burton ruler boots (2011 model i think...) I found that my boot started to press into that area just below the front foot's umm... under ankle bone... bone. I've wanted to just heat up the boot and push that area out more. Or even reduce some of the padding/pressure in that area inside the liner... not sure which to try - or if both are a bad idea, tho the latter would be more permanent for the burton rulers.

02-21-2012, 04:30 PM	#6 (permalink)
element Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 87	i'm at +12/-12 on my end.... I'm getting the feeling that the constant bending is pushing a bit harder on the front foot - which aggravates the area under the ankle bone after a full day or 2 of boarding... you don't feel anything from your boots? To your 2nd question... No optional jbars on mine, they're quite mandatorily attached and puffed out into the "under ankle" area in question

02-22-2012, 06:58 AM	#7 (permalink)
element Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 87	does the 2012 have a place for JBAR inserts? Here's what my inliners look like: the grey deal's pretty well glued on there from the start.

02-22-2012, 07:13 AM	#8 (permalink)
aiidoneus -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 333	Yep, and that is were I get the pain.

02-22-2012, 08:21 AM	#9 (permalink)
element Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 87	for me - last sprain was years and years ago - before I started boarding. This isn't cramps on my side, but actually a very sore spot on the outside of the foot, on that little bone that protrudes just under the big ankle bone... if that makes any sense...

02-22-2012, 08:31 AM	#10 (permalink)
element Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 87	i believe what makes the big ankle bone on the outside is the fibula. So right below that - there is a protrusion (differing in size from person to person) that appears to be from the calcaneus: Pic - courtesy of here: Ankle Anatomy - Orthogate So assuming that's correct, the calcaneus is where i'm feelin this unhappiness. I can see it now - kid falls over on the mountain, grabs his boot, and starts screeming "owww, my calcaneus! my calcaneus!!!"