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Harolddd 02-27-2012 04:33 PM

Critique my 360
 
Finally landed my first 360 after many attempts. Usually I get about 270 around and end up in a weird tail press that results in me falling on my knees. Sorry about the overall quality of the video I wasn't planning on keeping the video I just wanted to see what I was doing wrong on video instead of trying to picture it in my head but I ended up landing it. Feel free to tear the video apart just want some feedback on what I can improve on.

Thanks

Argo 02-27-2012 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Harolddd (Post 489147)
Finally landed my first 360 after many attempts. Usually I get about 270 around and end up in a weird tail press that results in me falling on my knees. Sorry about the overall quality of the video I wasn't planning on keeping the video I just wanted to see what I was doing wrong on video instead of trying to picture it in my head but I ended up landing it. Feel free to tear the video apart just want some feedback on what I can improve on.

Thanks

Quit flinging your arms around, don't put your weight on your back leg on takeoff, it looks like you barely get your balance in time to land that small jump.... Keep practicing and you will get better.

knuckledragger 02-27-2012 05:00 PM

I assume you're goofy, so this is a FS360. Work on switch backside 180s. They'll really help get the full rotation around smoothly. Think of a frontside 360 as a frontside 180+switch backside 180. Shred on!

Harolddd 02-27-2012 05:12 PM

Yeah sorry forgot to mention that I am goofy. Thanks for the tips so far

Leo 02-27-2012 05:20 PM

I'm learning 360 right now too. I do BS though as it allows you to see your landing rather than landing blind. Although, I've always been more comfortable with BS 180s.

The thing I'm working on is bringing my legs up. You have to suck your legs up bringing your knees to practically your chest.

snowklinger 02-27-2012 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo (Post 489172)
I'm learning 360 right now too. I do BS though as it allows you to see your landing rather than landing blind. Although, I've always been more comfortable with BS 180s.

The thing I'm working on is bringing my legs up. You have to suck your legs up bringing your knees to practically your chest.

Hey Leo, do you think this is mostly a 'core' action? I'm working on some basic grabs and shifty's but 360 is the goal in mind, and sucking my board up, ie. knees to chest is definitely giving me a hard time.

I think I need to do situps, my core's my weak spot for sure.

slyder 02-27-2012 06:47 PM

I would try to keep your arms rotating on a level plane around your body. They are whipping over your head kinda corking, this may be because you are also heavy in the back seat when you leave the lip of the jump.
Like Argo said try to pop off the jump with even pressure on both feet.

Looks like you had a good set up carve
Keep at it "first is the worst" right, you'll get it cleaner with time

Leo 02-27-2012 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by snowklinger (Post 489179)
Hey Leo, do you think this is mostly a 'core' action? I'm working on some basic grabs and shifty's but 360 is the goal in mind, and sucking my board up, ie. knees to chest is definitely giving me a hard time.

I think I need to do situps, my core's my weak spot for sure.

Well, considering I haven't been in the gym for 3 years lol... But yea, you probably do need core strength. Also, you don't literally have to bring it to your chest. The main goal is to have your legs sucked up rather than straight down the whole time. When I do an Indy, my knees almost touch my chest. This is also much harder to do off hips than a decent roller or actual kicker. You need to have some air time for it.

Donutz 02-27-2012 07:19 PM

This is more of a query than a critique, since I'm in no position to give advice. But it doesn't look like you're jumping off your edges to get the rotation. It actually looks more like you're going into a butter and just carrying the rotation into the air. That also appears to be why you're back-seat. Comments from those who know way more about this?

CheeseForSteeze 02-27-2012 07:24 PM

One thing that stood out to me right away was the "thwck" sound as you came off the lip. It's really indicative that you are snapping off the lip to get the rotation but not popping. The lack of amplitude (vertical) really makes the first 90ish basically a butter. This is going to be a problem when you try to step it up to bigger features as it will scrub off tons of speed and cause you to knuckle. You might have felt the lip catch your edge very slightly. Do you happen to have any vids of front 1's off jumps?

A lot of people might say I'm wrong; lots of really good riders I see throw the first 90 or so before they have fully left the lip but the problem (IMO) with that technique is that you must carry extra speed to compensate for scrubbing. It might be easier to get more rotation, but I'd rather have a more consistence approach by trying to leave the lip as straight as possible. To each his own.

Either way, combining the vertical pop and timing it precisely with the rotational snap is the key to launching all rotations. Keep doing it more and more and you'll find you can throw it more with your hips and knees which will make the rotation look better and be easier.

For example, here's an edit that was posted recently:



You can see at 0:30 they all front 3's off that little table (though off the toes, ignore that part). Focus on the the timing how they snap off the lip at the last possible moment and watch the last guy especially, you can see how he really throws his hips and knees to finish the spin and get it looking smooth. If you can imitate that, you'll be busting threes all over the place in no time.

Good luck.


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