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post #11 of 31 (permalink) Old 03-12-2012, 01:20 PM
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Part of getting better is learning what you can do in various conditions and to adjust your riding and expectations accordingly. And learning how to recognize those conditions while you're on the chairlift by watching other riders and looking at the snow. I was at Snow Summit last Tuesday it's crappy out there for sure. It's why most people are in the park. When it is hard packed I either go in the park or to the bar.

No comments on the riding as it looks good to me. As a fellow Socal resident I will comment on how DEPRESSING it is to see those BROWN mountains.


Mammoth is due to get some snow, if you can make it up there you should.
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Looks like you just need to commit to the carve a little more. The conditions, while not optimal, looked like you should have been able to grab an edge. If your board is really soft or really rockered this might not be easy, but with a little more hump and dump in your initiation you should be ok.
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Vicky, don't be so hard on yourself! The reason you don't see people carving is partially because it's not easy. If the terrain is hard and granular, it can be really hard to carve. I don't think the surface was 'icy' on that day (ice patches are kind of dark), but it's hard to tell from a video.

Similarly, if it's too powdery, the loose snow gives away under your board, so you're usually floating. It's also harder to carve on bumpy, ungroomed terrain, but it looks like the run you were on was groomed corduroy.

If you watch this video: CASI Level 2 Standards 2010 - YouTube, you will see some *really* good people carving. Notice how their board turns relatively gradually, and the board spend more time pointed downhill. Now compare to your video... you're kind of sharply turning the board one direction, then another. The board is kind of being flipped left and right rather than being ridden on the edge, and it spends little time pointed downhill.

In the carving video, watch how the snowboarders really get their board on an edge, and let the edge guide their direction. Watch their knees and posture...

But really, don't be so hard on yourself. Carving is an intermediate/advanced skill, and it's an aggressive way of riding down runs. It's kind of a finesse skill though... like the 'proper' way of using eating utensils. Don't get too caught up in being 'proper' if it ruins your fun. As you probably noticed, a lot of people *don't* carve.

That said, carving is *amazing* fun. It's best to try it on green terrain that you feel comfortable taking aggressively, and once you get it, try moving it to blues.
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i think were you are right now(skill level) and the condition the terrain is you are just fine.you mentioned "nearly fell a dozen times" but the good thing is you did not.for what you and us have seen on the video some of the boarders passing by were not really carving just going faster on a more straighter line, so what! your learning how to carve and your not comfortable yet on speed so your ok. ice is not really our friend unless you got some type of magnetraction on your edges,if i would run on to some ice patches i just squat down lower and not do any quick turns.i slowly go to my heel edge if i can and slow down.honestly your scarving that day was "recipe of the day". though you where frustrated,we also get those days that its just not working out.come back next time and try again.one thing though,do not be too hard on yourself,enjoy your time out there.
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I guess I'm just not sure how you should ride in certain terrain. I was watching people on the chairlifts and they ALL seemed to be skidding their turns - only saw a few with a pencil line and they were just plain bombing - something I just will not ever want to do.
So, when it is hard packed groomed like that and makes that awful icy noise, do you just point your board straight down the mountain with quick heel edge turns? Guess I just need to know how to ride in these conditions.
The run did look hard packed with enough give to carve...evidenced by a few that were bombing/carving pencil lines and as noted carving on those snow conditions is an advanced skill that requires being comfortable at bombing speeds.

Btw loosing it at those speeds is not generally not that big of deal...often you are already relatively close to the ground and the trick is to just slide to burn off some speed...and hopefully not crash into anything or one. The thing to be aware of is to keep your board in the air till you slow down; cause if don't it will catch and send you flying/flipping and/or jam/rip up some joints which is alot worse than just some soft tissue bruising or rash from sliding.


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Hey, Are you the 50 something year old woman who took up snowboarding for the first time last year? GREAT progress

Don't give up. Good technique takes you everywhere. You can absolutely carve a snowboard on steep icy slopes (pencil line, linked c-shape turns, speed controlled to desired levels)

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--> Listen to snowwolf. Despite having knowledge, conveying concepts to a student is extremely hard. Snowwolf is very good at this. He will probably not give you incorrect information either. Something I've seen while reading through these responses...

Ice is a GREAT opportunity to hone technique/stance setup. I love ice!!!

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CASI Level 2 Standards 2010 - YouTube,

Okay, this video helped and I see what others have said that I am not letting my board point downhill to engage on the edge. I think I was doing better two weeks ago, but the icy conditions this past weekend set me back. I see what I should be doing - on the above video the long lazy s-turns is what I am striving for. At my age all I want to do is easily go down the hills - not interested in speed. The hardest part is that in seeing the carving videos you really have to bend your knees on your toe edge and I think that is going to be my major issue. I already have a very bad right knee and bending causes a lot of pain - so I am beginning to think that if I can just get to s-turns on a higher edge will be where I want to end up.

I can tell that yesterdays turns were more z-like turns and I was just afraid that if I didn't do z-like turns I would NEVER stop slidding.

Thanks for the comments and I will try again this weekend! Wish me luck!

Here's a video from 2 weeks ago when the conditions were better and I was trying to practice leaning per snowolfs advice. Couldn't do this last weekend....


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In advanced skidded/carved turns, you do not wait for your board to point downhill, you immediately engage the downhill edge.

Extreme case: low aggressive carve, you would actually be carving the start of the turn inverted.. upside down.... especially on a steep pitch

Working the top of the turn lets you control speed, skidded or carved.

Waiting for the board to point downhill before engaging edge will lead to speed buildup.

Just listen to snow wolf.

PS: didn't watch the video, but based on the explanations. (I've seen the video before but am not watching it now)

they are keeping it pointed downhill cause they want it to. Either cause they don't mind the speed build up.. or the conditions are slow, or they are digging into the pack hard enough to control speed via edge penetration depth.

There are 3 ways to control speed.

1. skidding
2. turn shape
3. how deep you dig the edge in... (if you are an advanced rider, you can dig into frozen granular very deeply on a carve and slow down)

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CASI Level 2 Standards 2010 - YouTube,

Okay, this video helped and I see what others have said that I am not letting my board point downhill to engage on the edge. I think I was doing better two weeks ago, but the icy conditions this past weekend set me back. I see what I should be doing - on the above video the long lazy s-turns is what I am striving for. At my age all I want to do is easily go down the hills - not interested in speed. The hardest part is that in seeing the carving videos you really have to bend your knees on your toe edge and I think that is going to be my major issue. I already have a very bad right knee and bending causes a lot of pain - so I am beginning to think that if I can just get to s-turns on a higher edge will be where I want to end up.

I can tell that yesterdays turns were more z-like turns and I was just afraid that if I didn't do z-like turns I would NEVER stop slidding.

Thanks for the comments and I will try again this weekend! Wish me luck!

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Snowolf - so icy conditions with my knee problems what I was doing was okay I take it for that particular day? I agree the fast dynamic turns wouldn't suit my knee problems - when watching the sample video cocolulu provided just seeing how far bent and with almost all weight on his knees while on toeside just made my knee hurt WATCHING that! lol When the conditions are a little better like the weekend I was practicing turns - that's when I will try to practice more - it seems like last weekend I was just in survival mode and wasn't sure how to ride the terrain.

I'd rather work on higher edge angles (if I can EVER get there! lol) while on softer snow - not ice. And also try not to pivot the board and ride thru the and complete my turns. Next time it is like it was Sunday I will work on trying to keep the board down the fall line with low edge angles.

They are expecting snow this weekend - probably only an inch or two, but better than nothing. Thanks again!

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Snowolf- would riser plates help here with someone with rom issues? In my mind I'm seeing the extra leverage as a method to get around the rom issue and still be able to get a greater edge angle.
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