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Old 03-19-2012, 08:32 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I ride a 0/0 goofy and i've ridden that for 4 years. I ride park and all mountain. But i've heard like a 15/-15 is better for park, so just wondering what your advice is. Thanks!
No worries man! I rode 0/0 for my first 4 or 5 years{I had no one to teach me not to). BUT CHANGE IT IMMEDIATELY! You should try 15/-15 at first its a good neutral stance. Then down the line when you understand what stances benefit the riding style of your choice you can tweak it some more. GL

Oh ya there is also shops out there setting people up this way.

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Old 03-19-2012, 09:14 AM   #12 (permalink)
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No worries man! I rode 0/0 for my first 4 or 5 years{I had no one to teach me not to). BUT CHANGE IT IMMEDIATELY! You should try 15/-15 at first its a good neutral stance. Then down the line when you understand what stances benefit the riding style of your choice you can tweak it some more. GL

Oh ya there is also shops out there setting people up this way.
so how does that work for goofy riders. Left foot at 15 and right at -15 ? Or the other way around ?
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Old 03-19-2012, 09:16 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Yes OP you should. I blew my knees out just reading your post.
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Old 03-19-2012, 09:54 AM   #14 (permalink)
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How long have you been riding 0 angles? I think you will be pleasantly surprised when you change them, I can't even imagine riding that way.
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Old 03-19-2012, 09:57 AM   #15 (permalink)
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This is weird. I've ridden 0 for seven years and am a park person. Doesn't bother me a bit. When my bindings twist when I'm riding it feels so weird and uncomfortable to have them angled out.
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Old 03-19-2012, 10:05 AM   #16 (permalink)
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This is weird. I've ridden 0 for seven years and am a park person. Doesn't bother me a bit. When my bindings twist when I'm riding it feels so weird and uncomfortable to have them angled out.
You should duck out your bindings as well. It will feel different at first but when your legs get comfortable with it. Your riding will be easier, better and a hell of a lot safer for your knees. The 15/-15 stance is used in most martial arts as a balanced athletic stance. Again it may not be the best stance for you but a great place to start figuring out your real stance. 0/0 IS NOT A REAL STANCE!
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Old 03-19-2012, 10:46 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Dear god I cringe reading this... Here's a way to give you a rough idea what it feels like:

Stand with your feet shoulder width apart, both facing straight ahead. Now do a half squat and try to rotate and bounce lol... I'm doing this in my office and must look retarded! Anyway I can turn my upper body about 45 degrees in either direction before I get some serious knee pain.

Now keep your heels where they are but lift your toes and rotate your feet so they're just slightly toed out \---/ and try it again. I can turn probably about 60 degrees in each direction that way.

For what it's worth, +15-15 may be too wide for some people. I like to keep angles between 18-24 degrees apart but that's my taste. I ride -9/+9 and used to ride -12/+12. That 18-24 degree spacing works for any binding setup. I had my girlfriend start -3/+15 to help her feel comfortable turning before we changed her to a symmetrical duck stance half way through this year (which she loves by the way).

The "old" stance that every rental board in the early 90's had was usually 0/+18 or so. I learned on this on rental boards for a winter in 92/93, then when I got my first board I set it up the same, but then experimented over a few year period until I found symmetrical duck to be the most comfortable for me.

Also experiment with stance width as this will have a big effect on your riding. I tend to find the reference stancewidths pretty good on most boards I've been on and set up, but I'm heavier than my height should be, so sometimes need to go more narrow.

Yeah just try shit out and see what you like instead of listening to us! Don't do it at home though. Go to the hill and take a few warmup runs to feel the snow, then use the resort tools or a screwdriver from home to make small adjustments (say a 3-5 degrees per foot at a time) and take it for a few more laps, repeat until you find a good stance angle. Then experiment with stance width. Don't change two things at the same time (i.e. angle and width) or you won't know what change was positive and what was potentially negative.
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Old 03-19-2012, 01:44 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I ride 15/-15. With most new riders that dont know what angles will be comfortable I tell them to jump and do a 180 and land with their feet just wider than shoulder width. Do that several times and get a good idea what angles your feet are at. This is going to give you a good idea of what angles your knees and ankles will feel most comfortable with when riding. Most people land around 12-15. The width of your stance is obviously going to play into this too, but in my experience a wide stance is better for balance whether your freeriding or in the park. I ride at 23.5".
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The width of your stance is obviously going to play into this too, but in my experience a wide stance is better for balance whether your freeriding or in the park. I ride at 23.5".
Yes and no. You ever watch a figure skater do the "ice twirling" thing? They start spinning with their arms out wide, and when they pull their arms in close to their body they spin MUCH faster with no extra energy put into the system. I realize none of us are trying to do triple sow-cows or quadruple mie-ties but the physics of it still applies.

There is a happy medium somewhere, and some people seem to be WAY off the mark. For what it's worth I'm about 5'6-5'7 and I ride a 21" stance width.
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Yes and no. You ever watch a figure skater do the "ice twirling" thing? They start spinning with their arms out wide, and when they pull their arms in close to their body they spin MUCH faster with no extra energy put into the system. I realize none of us are trying to do triple sow-cows or quadruple mie-ties but the physics of it still applies.

There is a happy medium somewhere, and some people seem to be WAY off the mark. For what it's worth I'm about 5'6-5'7 and I ride a 21" stance width.
Agreed, but I am 5'11" so my 23.5" is probably the same as your 21". What I am getting at is the angles relative to the width will feel different. 15' at 24" will have a different effect than 15' at 20" with the same rider height.

I hope your not suggesting I could spin 7's much easier with a 20" stance though Thats just silly. Upper body position in the air will effect your spin 100 times more than a few inches of stance, but the stance will greatly effect balance and comfort.
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