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Old 03-29-2012, 09:10 AM   #31 (permalink)
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The "hype" is that almost every new rider leans way back up the hill and it is a difficult thing thing for them to stop. There are two main reasons for this. One, we instinctively lean away from anything that scares us. A steep hill in front of us causes us to lean away from it. Moving objects coming at as and we do the same. The second and more important reason is out Vestibular Sense. The fluid in the inner ear gives us one of our primary senses of balance and causes us to stand vertically. On a hill, this sense causes us to be way in the back seat instead of perpendicular to the snow.
Fair enough, I'm assuming that's why most people can't pivot the board underneath them when they first are trying to link turns? I see a lot of them almost riding the tail out of their now failed turn! lol

I just thought that weight control was a pretty basic part of boarding. (i.e. that people got it on day 2 kinda thing).
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How do you do a "light" carve? I thought one needs to really dig the edge into the snow in order to carve (and therefore eliminate any sideslip).
I'll post a vid when I get to work, basically you're just rocking back and forth on your board. Don't kick your back foot and try to rotate the board, just lightly lean and let the sidecut of the board turn for you, then rock back onto the other edge and do the same thing.

Only difference between a light carve and a heavy carve is board angle. A light carve your non-contact edge will only be 1" or so off the snow, a heavy carve would have your board anywhere from 20-60 degrees or so.
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Old 03-29-2012, 09:53 AM   #33 (permalink)
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pnw, if hitting at baker, i'll try to meet, and you will get comfortable on bombing greens ...cause you will be doing blacks and after that a green will look like the shallow end of the pool where the pee happens. And don't worry about carving...heavy or light...you are not there yet with the skills.
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Old 03-29-2012, 12:06 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Also, download this app that works with your GPS on your smart phone.

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It will help you keep track of your runs and the speed on the runs...
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Old 03-29-2012, 02:05 PM   #35 (permalink)
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when you are making these open ended type turns, you don`t wait until the board is across the fall line to initiate the new turn
I am not able to visualize this statement, although I've seen you write it a few times on other threads. From your "by the numbers" below, I thought the board should cross the fall line as I apply toe pressure with the leading foot, and then I apply pressure on the back toes to complete the turn. Does this not mean the board is across the fall line before I start the heelside turn?

Or by "across the fall line" do you mean that in a C-shaped turn, the board should be full perpendicular to the fall line before I start the next turn, whereas in an S-shaped turn, I start the next turn when the board is just, say, 45 degrees off the fall line?

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One: Relax front foot and allow the board`s nose to slip down the fall line.

Two: When the board is pointed down the fall line, relax the rear foot as well. You will be flat based for half a tic here.

Three: Apply toe pressure with JUST the front foot (along with the other body movements discussed).

Four: At the halfway mark (about 45 degrees) apply pressure with the back foot so you finish the turn solidly on the toe edge.
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Or by "across the fall line" do you mean that in a C-shaped turn, the board should be full perpendicular to the fall line before I start the next turn, whereas in an S-shaped turn, I start the next turn when the board is just, say, 45 degrees off the fall line?
Yeah, I think what he means by across the fall line is when you turn to the point that you're travelling at 90 degrees from the fall line (ie. straight down the hill). I've seen guys on carving boards go even beyond this though and actually performed the transition while going slightly uphill even!
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Pnw...you are getting way ahead of your self. Get the basics of confidently linking turns on greens/blues, abit of bombing through the flats and on cats, get your body alignment, mechanics and coordination down. I say get it together to do the small things efficiently, e.g., exiting the ramp, strapin without sitting, skating and gliding 1 footy and your terrain sight reading. Because after you get that down, then you will have a plateau phase where then you will need to find some folks that will challenge you to keep up...by mobbing around. But currently, don't worry about open/closed s turns, fall lines and transitions while going up hill. Progression is not a smooth trajectory, the best thing to do now is to ride at every opportunity.

It sounds like you are a visual learner but alot of boarding...especially in the pnw because of the poor vis, the variable terrain and conditions...is by feel. When I was learning at Baker, it was like omfg I want some place with big open mellow smooth runs where I can see...not this chopped up narrow shit where you cant see.
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Pnw...you are getting way ahead of your self.
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But currently, don't worry about open/closed s turns, fall lines and transitions while going up hill. Progression is not a smooth trajectory, the best thing to do now is to ride at every opportunity.
I understand. I was just asking because Snowolf said to forget about C turns and just focus on S turns and I didnt know what the difference was.

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When I was learning at Baker, it was like omfg I want some place with big open mellow smooth runs where I can see...not this chopped up narrow shit where you cant see.
I hate Baker! That's where the tow rope got me! Plus that rolly poly green run has a really steep offload lift ramp and really narrow runs.
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This is my third year, but I don't get out a lot (too far away and busy). Maybe 15 days a year. On my last trip I finally got over a hump of going fast. Once it clicks, it clicks. A damp board helps.

What actually helped me was once I learned how to get down fast a Squaw black that was bumpy as shit (I don't know what the term is called, I call it jello legs) I found that I was so confident in my body control that I was able to go even faster on smooth parts.
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I hate Baker! That's where the tow rope got me! Plus that rolly poly green run has a really steep offload lift ramp and really narrow runs.
lol...I love Baker...now. Its a place that either kills you or as the saying goes..."if you can ride Baker you can ride anyplace". Where else can you ride chop, to drop, to waist deep with face shots, to chute with wall ride, through the trees, to moguls to finish with an iced groomer in 1 short run.
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