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Anyone have tips on working out a decent plan for making some money or getting by in winter months snowboarding?

with level 2 certification I get to ride for free, but am required to work on most good/busy days at a rate of 12.50$/h

thats 8-4:30 (i no longer work 8-8pm as it is ridiculous to expect that level of physical sacrafice)

sometimes 4:30-8 ; as you can imagine it is extremely tiring and does not pay very well. If the majority of lessons were mountain top or even demonstrations that would be better... to be honest we spend 75% of our time showing people how to put on their equipment, walking them down the hill and lifting them off their asses.

If someone would pay for my day pass or work out a continuing lesson plan throughout the season I would only require a 20 or a 40$ payment for the day that I get to take home and buy food with.

The best job here is really working with the kids camp because at least it makes sense. You are basically a councilor for tots; a skilled babysitter. Even then, most babysitters make 20$/hour these days.

These things I am finding strange in life. Most jobs I am offered have ridiculous physical demands at low rate of pay and leave me with no time to even feed myself imbetween.

Most recently I had an interview to work 66 hours a week @ 12.00 an hour doing physical labour... Sad part is I have to beg for this job because without it I cant afford to live. Ends up being a decent chunk of change, roughly 3000 a month but I will have no life as my only day off will be spent cleaning my house and shopping for the food of the week.


anyone have any tips on life? I hate this feeling of being a loser let me explain.

either I am working so hard I have no time or energy for anything else
or I am broke and lets face it- Being broke is pretty shitty way to live.

anyhow, next season I am not paying into the CASI union and probably wont be hired anywhere.
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I should add that I really don't understand where the mountain gets off. They charge somewhere around 90$ for a private lesson and the instructor gets 12$. It must make sense for it to work and have everyone agree under that system but I personally do not get it.

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That's probably not helping you much but I know what i'd choose between $12 / hr for physical labour and $12 / hr to instruct people snowboarding. Heck, I think I'll have fun instructing... I've helped a few people start, from kids to adults and I hear you - some are getting on your nerves when they start bitching about how hard it is to strap in. But if they are any good at some point during the day they start to have fun and the smiles come up so it's not all misery
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What was also not mentioned here is the fact that instructors don't make 12/hr for going to work. They are only payed on hours spent teaching. So they will require you to show up for 6 hours. Only give you a 1 hour lesson and pay you for one hour. This allows them to over staff and always be covered but does not allow instructors to survive on the paychecks.
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Anyone have tips on working out a decent plan for making some money or getting by in winter months snowboarding?
Figure out how to increase the number of request privates you are teaching. As a level 2 you should get at least $20 an hour for an RP. If it's not change mountains.

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to be honest we spend 75% of our time showing people how to put on their equipment, walking them down the hill and lifting them off their asses.
If this is accurate it might be part of your problem.
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anyone have any tips on life? I hate this feeling of being a loser let me explain.

either I am working so hard I have no time or energy for anything else
or I am broke and lets face it- Being broke is pretty shitty way to live.


honestly? Start a business, work freelance, be a consultant etc. There a lot of jobs that can and will be flexible. You just need to be creative and find them. Don't get caught up in having to have nice things if you can't afford them. Find what you're good at, then figure out who's needing that skill. And if you can sell yourself you will do fine.


I do freelance/contract work. I end up working about 75% of full time. Lots of time to do what ever I want. A lot of my colleagues work 125% of full time. they take on way more projects then I. They have houses and kids and german cars. I have...ok had...a beat up honda. It blew up yesterday.....


I have a friend who is a full ski instructor (she snowboards when not at work) and I probably have rode twice as many days as she has this year. Like you said, she's spending her days teaching...

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I know at our local hill as a instructor, if you are at the hill and don't have a lesson you are free to ride and do what ever you want. They only have to give 30 lessons over the entire season.

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To be fair; our mountain pays for half day if not good business day and pays while you at work like a regular job.
It is a good place to work , just very hard in a real sense if you value your health and want to actually snowboard with people.

They have a unique system and hire a ton of people .. It would take pages to explain the specifics.

It is a combination of little things compounded by not having any real lessons in a season and just not surviving on the hours/pay anyways.

My first year was great. I learned as much as I taught but I also was fake every day to everyone I guess it was instinctual because I thought they were giving me a hard time turns out that I was being treated well compared to what came in next

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Yeah they take money from u for everything too. Training is paid on successful completion so u see a lot of forced failures and "favors" for passes, must buy things through and from them , must sell their products... Like I said I get that it's a team effort but they take it too far.

I know many business are hustle oriented -- snowboarding should not be one of them.

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I say find a niche, find a skill thats needed and will continue to be needed and either work for yourself or with a small company that genuinely cares about the people who work there.

Most importantly do something you are interested in and ideally enjoy.

I work for myself and I wouldn't do it any other way. Whilst the responsibility for my income rests 100% on me I also have the freedom to work when I choose and under my terms and conditions.

I personally value my free time and freedom in general over material wealth.

Still there has to be a balance and its good to live comfortably.

Good luck.

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At the resort I worked at, it was widely known for years that the "top instructors" on the private board would offer $10 kick backs to the girls at the desk selling privates in order to get the private requests.
Guess I've got my head in the sand. I've never heard of this. I would never think of doing it. I would hope no one I work with (sales or instructors) would do it. Flat out unethical.
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