How do you call a backflip + 360 ? - Snowboarding Forum

horia.ancas · 05-07-2012, 08:56 AM

Hi guys,
I was just wondering is a backflip + 360 called a cork 720 ?

Raines · 05-07-2012, 09:31 AM

i think is backflip 360

horia.ancas · 05-07-2012, 09:47 AM

Then help me understand what is a cork. I'm confused

CheeseForSteeze · 05-07-2012, 09:54 AM

Off axis rotation. Not a flip, not flat. And by off-axis, it is implied that the "axis" is an orthogonal set perpendicular in one dimension and parallel in the other to the direction of gravity.

Edit, that's not really clear I guess. Basically, a spin where you rotating not around your waist or over your head. The least corked spins literally look like a corkscrew ... imagine spinning around through the air and creating a helix with your shoulders. Corks have become so "corked" that they sometimes are closer to like an underflip but are still off-axis.

horia.ancas · 05-08-2012, 04:16 PM

Thanks guys, I am starting to understand.
Here is me flipping out, but this does look like a cork 540 to me. Am I right, or is there too much flip into it ?
MVI_5050.AVI - YouTube

chub11 · 05-08-2012, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by horia.ancas

Thanks guys, I am starting to understand.
Here is me flipping out, but this does look like a cork 540 to me. Am I right, or is there too much flip into it ?
MVI_5050.AVI - YouTube

Not an expert but it does look like a cork 540. In a true cork you are never fully inverted as you would be in a flip but a lot of corks these days look very close to flips.

Casual · 05-08-2012, 11:12 PM

Cork 5. Your rotation is over your shoulder so it is an off axis spin not a flip. Looks pretty good man keep it up.

horia.ancas · 05-09-2012, 08:23 AM

Now, what do you guys think about grabs ?
I have the feeling that there is a general rule that applies for grabs to improve spin.
I ride goofy and when I spin backside I mostly grab with my right hand because it feels natural. I don't really spin frontside that good but in my head it seems easier to grab with my left hand.

So, is there a general rule to grab when spinning backside or when spinning frontside to make it easier ?

Casual · 05-09-2012, 10:09 AM

Most people prefer a grab that allows their shoulder to drop or open and see the direction of travel so they can rotate better and see the landing. So for backside usually a lead hand toeside grab like Mute or a trailing hand heelside grab like stale. For frontside typically the opposite so Indy or Melon. Thats a pretty general rule though, you will get different answers but these grabs will help you turn your head, hense they should help your rotation along.

CheeseForSteeze · 05-09-2012, 10:11 AM

That's a back cork 5. If you pop a little more instead of just dropping your shoulder at the lip, you'll get the full rotation. That jump is pretty lippy and should give you plenty of cork. Looks good though.

As for the general rule with grabbing, what you said is definitely true. If you grab indy or melon frontside or mute stalefish on backside rotations, it's just natural because like you said, your shoulders are already wound up in that direction. Same applies if you backside shifty grabbing melon or indy will tend to be natural, stale and mute on frontside shiftys. However, grabbing the opposite way can be challenging and look really stylish.

Here at 1:18 of this edit (Nick Poohachoff is the rider) you can see him go back 5 melon which actually harder to grab since your shoulders naturally want to wind the other way spinning backside. However, it looks sweet and when you release the grab you can see how the board snaps around because of the tension built up in the core. It's just a way to add more style and diversify your riding.

@ Snowolf - Yep, you ain't lying.

05-07-2012, 08:56 AM	#1 (permalink)
horia.ancas Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 31	How do you call a backflip + 360 ? Hi guys, I was just wondering is a backflip + 360 called a cork 720 ?

05-07-2012, 09:54 AM	#4 (permalink)
CheeseForSteeze -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,716	Off axis rotation. Not a flip, not flat. And by off-axis, it is implied that the "axis" is an orthogonal set perpendicular in one dimension and parallel in the other to the direction of gravity. Edit, that's not really clear I guess. Basically, a spin where you rotating not around your waist or over your head. The least corked spins literally look like a corkscrew ... imagine spinning around through the air and creating a helix with your shoulders. Corks have become so "corked" that they sometimes are closer to like an underflip but are still off-axis. Last edited by CheeseForSteeze; 05-07-2012 at 09:57 AM.

05-08-2012, 11:12 PM	#7 (permalink)
Casual Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Edmonton Posts: 457	Cork 5. Your rotation is over your shoulder so it is an off axis spin not a flip. Looks pretty good man keep it up. __________________ ...

05-09-2012, 10:09 AM	#9 (permalink)
Casual Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Edmonton Posts: 457	Most people prefer a grab that allows their shoulder to drop or open and see the direction of travel so they can rotate better and see the landing. So for backside usually a lead hand toeside grab like Mute or a trailing hand heelside grab like stale. For frontside typically the opposite so Indy or Melon. Thats a pretty general rule though, you will get different answers but these grabs will help you turn your head, hense they should help your rotation along. __________________ ...

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05-07-2012, 09:31 AM	#2 (permalink)
Raines Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 224	i think is backflip 360

05-07-2012, 09:47 AM	#3 (permalink)
horia.ancas Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 31	Then help me understand what is a cork. I'm confused

05-08-2012, 04:16 PM	#5 (permalink)
horia.ancas Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 31	Thanks guys, I am starting to understand. Here is me flipping out, but this does look like a cork 540 to me. Am I right, or is there too much flip into it ? MVI_5050.AVI - YouTube

05-09-2012, 08:23 AM	#8 (permalink)
horia.ancas Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 31	Now, what do you guys think about grabs ? I have the feeling that there is a general rule that applies for grabs to improve spin. I ride goofy and when I spin backside I mostly grab with my right hand because it feels natural. I don't really spin frontside that good but in my head it seems easier to grab with my left hand. So, is there a general rule to grab when spinning backside or when spinning frontside to make it easier ?

05-09-2012, 10:11 AM	#10 (permalink)
CheeseForSteeze -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,716	That's a back cork 5. If you pop a little more instead of just dropping your shoulder at the lip, you'll get the full rotation. That jump is pretty lippy and should give you plenty of cork. Looks good though. As for the general rule with grabbing, what you said is definitely true. If you grab indy or melon frontside or mute stalefish on backside rotations, it's just natural because like you said, your shoulders are already wound up in that direction. Same applies if you backside shifty grabbing melon or indy will tend to be natural, stale and mute on frontside shiftys. However, grabbing the opposite way can be challenging and look really stylish. Here at 1:18 of this edit (Nick Poohachoff is the rider) you can see him go back 5 melon which actually harder to grab since your shoulders naturally want to wind the other way spinning backside. However, it looks sweet and when you release the grab you can see how the board snaps around because of the tension built up in the core. It's just a way to add more style and diversify your riding. @ Snowolf - Yep, you ain't lying.