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Old 11-06-2012, 02:40 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by lonerider View Post
Rails/Boxes are easier to learn and easier to pretend you are good at - a person with less than a week's worth of riding can probably 50-50 a ride-on box. The thing is that a lot of what you do on a rail/box requires a skill set that is completely unrelated to using your board on the snow (i.e. unlike on snow, you never want to use your edges).

The pipe requires good balance and good edge control (i.e. the skill you pick up from being a good rider on the snow). Until you actually show proficiency at riding, you will look like an idiot. My guess is that you probably won't be able to ride pipe properly until you can ride black diamond groomers runs with confidence (because you have to treat each wall as essentially a very steep slope).

I would say pipe is safer... if you screw up, the curve of the wall acts like a slide. True, you can push too hard off the wall and land in the flat that can suck... but that only is an issue when you are clearing the wall of the pipe by a couple of feet... and let's be realistic, you are not going to get good enough for that to happen any time soon (if ever).

In comparison, there are many many ways to break bones messing up a rail (running into it, slipping out and landing on it, having you board go under it).

I say try both and see what is more fun for you. I personally like pipe more.
I've been throught the pipe a few times and if you're scooting back and forth and not getting air then it's very safe and pretty easy, and soft falls, while I've yet to get the guts to try to get on a rail; the thought of falling on something made of metal seems like an easy way to get hurt myself.
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Old 11-06-2012, 03:02 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Lamps View Post
I've been throught the pipe a few times and if you're scooting back and forth and not getting air then it's very safe and pretty easy, and soft falls, while I've yet to get the guts to try to get on a rail; the thought of falling on something made of metal seems like an easy way to get hurt myself.
Start on some low boxes and work your way up. Some parks make it so you could ride across a box and almost not even know it. Knees slightly bent in a relaxed position, make sure you stay flat based, and look to the end of the feature not your feet.
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:04 PM   #13 (permalink)
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The pipe is a little different to get a feel for because of the mechanics. You need good edge control, and need to learn how to pump the transitions. It's awkward at first.
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Old 11-07-2012, 04:31 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Park, if you're a new-ish rider. Is much easier/safer to progress.

You're gonna start small, with basic airs and boxes. Then progress with airs to grabs/rotation and go from boxes to to rails.
You can pretty much make features all over the trail with rollers and side hits, and practice box tricks on flat ground.

Doing park stuff will also help you with board/edge control. When you've mastered your edges and shit (something I have not done). Then you can try pipe (in a gay way).

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Old 11-10-2012, 12:34 PM   #15 (permalink)
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For how new you are at boarding, you will want to start on boxes, but just be sure to lean forward a little, while still keeping the toe edge of your board up. For some people, when they first got on a box they lean too far back and hit their head on it. (Wear a helmet.) As far as safety goes, just stay in your comfort level. Personally, my comfort level has gotten me into trouble in the past, so if you have second thoughts, you may want to go with the safer thought. In some cases, rails can be easier than boxes (short flat rail vs. step down box) and trying 50/50 isn't that hard on either one. As for the pipe, it's nice to learn turning and push-off 180's, but until you're more experienced, you may want to stay away. Especially if the pipe is frequented by experienced riders. I've been riding the pipe before and I came in on my toe turn after an exit, only to crash into a little girl that was heading down the pipe. Horrible, I know, but I had no clue she came in after I did. Rider awareness is the key!

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Old 12-02-2012, 11:27 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by BurtonAvenger View Post
Plain and simple if it's in the park you ride it. Pipe teaches you better edge to edge control and how to maintain speed. You can learn the basics in a day which includes airing out and spinning.
and on day two he created the sun, the moon, the earth, and the stars?

Day 1 airing out and spinning? Come on. Maybe if you rode for 5 years and then suddenly said Uh, theres a halfpipe there...Ima give that a shot.

Riding up the walls of a pipe are definitely different than carving side to side on a groomer.

Getting the balls to go 22' up the side, come down with an alarming increase in speed only to go back up and do it again

then to air

and THEN to spin?

yea I'm going to say that 99.999999999999999999% of the people on here would never do pipe the first day and air/spin. Never. Never happened sorry. Unless the pipe is a kids park pipe then maybe yea. But that doesnt count.
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