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snowklinger · 11-15-2012, 02:13 AM

I like microcarving just with my ankles and pretending that the bottom of my deck is rolled like a half cylinder, it feels cool. Drugs help.

poutanen · 11-15-2012, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ETM

I agree that as a beginner you should forget about flat basing as you will catch a nasty edge.
However as you get better flat basing can actually be used to gain speed for flat run outs. I do it all the time, I can get a lot more speed by not putting an edge into the snow.

I was trying not to over complicate thing for him!

I'm the king of making it through the flats... Depending on the snow though it's sometimes faster to be up on an edge a little anyway!

KnoxBoarderX · 11-15-2012, 08:44 AM

When it's a really long flat but I need some speed to get through it, I bomb it to the flat and then stay slightly toe edge through the flat.

wrathfuldeity · 11-15-2012, 11:52 AM

Megwell, just do the micro carving or what Snowolf does...but it sometimes won't get you through a long flat. There is such a thing as flatbasing that is really easy and there is really no fear nor reason to catch an edge once you understand the dynamics...however its not a beginner's skill. If you want to meet up and do the flats at baker from mid-chair to chair 2/3 let me know.

Slush Puppie · 11-15-2012, 04:40 PM

For me, being comfortable completely flatbasing was one of the breakthrough moments in my progression. So keep practicing the microcarves and just get comfortably crossing through flat. Once you can do that, it will help limit the speed in itself, but you'll find you no longer need to go completely heal/toe edge to scrub once you get too fast. Once you get comfortable and relax, you'll find you have the confidence and control to stay flat longer (if you want to) and even the whole run in you feel like it. You'll be able to scrub speed by gently rocking back into micro carves if you need to. I wasn't kidding on the tail pressing either! There's almost no way you can catch an edge in a tailpress

Perhaps the hybrid camber board helps but I've never really found a need to always keep slightly on one edge like people have old me you should, it feels more natural flat to me.

IdahoFreshies · 11-15-2012, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ShredLife

in spots where it feels like you need to keep a flat base to keep speed stay as flat as you can - while still favoring one edge over the other. you can even kind of 'micro carve' and switch from flat/heel to flat/toes.. its when you get truly flat-based and standing up tall that you catch the worst edges.

that's another thing: keep you knees bent and stay aggressive. too many people get to the runout or the cat track and they stand up perfectly straight and start fucking with their iphone and the next thing you know - scorpion!

right here. Just having your edge in the snow a bit will keep you from catching that forward edge and doing the glorious scorpion. If you cant keep yourself truly flat based and pointed straight down hill then just switch back and forth between heel and toe edge while still staying pointed down hill.

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Originally Posted by wrathfuldeity

Megwell, just do the micro carving or what Snowolf does...but it sometimes won't get you through a long flat. There is such a thing as flatbasing that is really easy and there is really no fear nor reason to catch an edge once you understand the dynamics...however its not a beginner's skill. If you want to meet up and do the flats at baker from mid-chair to chair 2/3 let me know.

also this. Being able to ride flat based and scream down a run just takes some refined muscle memory so you know how to react to the slightest little twitch and movement that the board makes that would other wise wipe you out. I mean these movements are such that if you actually thought about doing them then you would probably over do them and throw yourself off. Staying low and centered is the best way to ride flat base. You also can put a bit more weight on your back foot for more control.

wrathfuldeity · 11-15-2012, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by IdahoFreshies

right here. Just having your edge in the snow a bit will keep you from catching that forward edge and doing the glorious scorpion. If you cant keep yourself truly flat based and pointed straight down hill then just switch back and forth between heel and toe edge while still staying pointed down hill.

also this. Being able to ride flat based and scream down a run just takes some refined muscle memory so you know how to react to the slightest little twitch and movement that the board makes that would other wise wipe you out. I mean these movements are such that if you actually thought about doing them then you would probably over do them and throw yourself off. Staying low and centered is the best way to ride flat base. You also can put a bit more weight on your back foot for more control.

I actually kind of do the opposite when riding flats, standing upright, relaxed, knees and ankles loose, shoulders/hips closed and weight on the nose. Btw OP, good practice is to skate/ride 1 footy down the bunny hills whenever possible. Though if you are screaming flat, i.e., bombing down a run...you go low, more fore/aft centered and ride loose in the knees and sucking them up.

IdahoFreshies · 11-16-2012, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by wrathfuldeity

I actually kind of do the opposite when riding flats, standing upright, relaxed, knees and ankles loose, shoulders/hips closed and weight on the nose. Btw OP, good practice is to skate/ride 1 footy down the bunny hills whenever possible. Though if you are screaming flat, i.e., bombing down a run...you go low, more fore/aft centered and ride loose in the knees and sucking them up.

Oh ya, I was referring to if you point the nose of your board down a run and bomb the shit out of it. If I'm on a cat track I Stand up straight and very relaxed, usually pressing or 180s or dicking around.

krankedmusic · 11-16-2012, 12:34 PM

Stay low to the ground and tail press. Lean heel to toe a bit to keep balance but practice is key.

megwell · 11-19-2012, 06:10 PM

I got your pm with the link snowolf
i had no idea that was you lol as i've seen many of your vids on youtube.

i can do what you suggested....... now imagine this though
on a cat track..... carving like that when there are a shit load of skiers going straight..... you end up cutting all of them off.......... so instead of taking up the whole cat track one has to take up maybe 4 feet without cutting off everyone else.
i'll also look into micro carving as well

kbX
cool of you to offer help

you guys rock here!

11-15-2012, 02:13 AM	#11 (permalink)
snowklinger Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: fuck boulder Posts: 2,822	I like microcarving just with my ankles and pretending that the bottom of my deck is rolled like a half cylinder, it feels cool. Drugs help. __________________ is it late october yet?

11-15-2012, 11:52 AM	#14 (permalink)
wrathfuldeity Resident poet Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bham Posts: 2,701	Megwell, just do the micro carving or what Snowolf does...but it sometimes won't get you through a long flat. There is such a thing as flatbasing that is really easy and there is really no fear nor reason to catch an edge once you understand the dynamics...however its not a beginner's skill. If you want to meet up and do the flats at baker from mid-chair to chair 2/3 let me know. __________________

11-15-2012, 04:40 PM	#15 (permalink)
Slush Puppie Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: looking west over the Atlantic Posts: 283	For me, being comfortable completely flatbasing was one of the breakthrough moments in my progression. So keep practicing the microcarves and just get comfortably crossing through flat. Once you can do that, it will help limit the speed in itself, but you'll find you no longer need to go completely heal/toe edge to scrub once you get too fast. Once you get comfortable and relax, you'll find you have the confidence and control to stay flat longer (if you want to) and even the whole run in you feel like it. You'll be able to scrub speed by gently rocking back into micro carves if you need to. I wasn't kidding on the tail pressing either! There's almost no way you can catch an edge in a tailpress Perhaps the hybrid camber board helps but I've never really found a need to always keep slightly on one edge like people have old me you should, it feels more natural flat to me. __________________ We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further. Richard Dawkins

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11-15-2012, 08:44 AM	#13 (permalink)
KnoxBoarderX Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 128	When it's a really long flat but I need some speed to get through it, I bomb it to the flat and then stay slightly toe edge through the flat.

11-16-2012, 12:34 PM	#19 (permalink)
krankedmusic Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Toronto,Ontario,Canada Posts: 32	Stay low to the ground and tail press. Lean heel to toe a bit to keep balance but practice is key.

11-19-2012, 06:10 PM	#20 (permalink)
megwell Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 8	I got your pm with the link snowolf i had no idea that was you lol as i've seen many of your vids on youtube. i can do what you suggested....... now imagine this though on a cat track..... carving like that when there are a shit load of skiers going straight..... you end up cutting all of them off.......... so instead of taking up the whole cat track one has to take up maybe 4 feet without cutting off everyone else. i'll also look into micro carving as well kbX cool of you to offer help you guys rock here!