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Old 12-10-2012, 10:11 PM   #11 (permalink)
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id say a good place to start is with posting a video of your 360 attempts, this way people can critique your form. there are a lot of things you could be doing wrong: setup carve, prewinding, keeping your shoulders rotated, not popping enough, and people wont be able to pinpoint a specific problem without a video. I learned 3's last year thanks to people on this forum and all i had to do was upload a video of my attempts.
Will do! Im probably going up this Saturday, so Ill try and get some footage!
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LOL! Believe what you will, just give me tips!
my tip? ask the people you snowboard with who are so good you learned how to ride blacks and hit 30ft kickers in 3 days.
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:15 PM   #13 (permalink)
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my tip? ask the people you snowboard with who are so good you learned how to ride blacks and hit 30ft kickers in 3 days.
20 foot kickers haha. And I learned from them by just riding with them, they don't teach too well. So thats why I came to the forums.
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:37 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Heres a tip: LEARN TO RIDE FIRST INSTEAD OF TRYING TO SHOW OFF FOR YOUR BUDDIES/ SNOW HOES/ WHATEVER.

Why are you washing out when your trying backflips? Because you dont know how to fucking ride and your trying backflips. I dont care what you did before, even if the 6 days you rode for 24 hours you dont have enough experience. After 30+ days of solid riding MAYBE you will know what I mean. You have to become one with your edges and that takes time. Or dont. I mean Mark Mcmorris is a pro who throws triple corks all day and he cant ride powder steeps for shit! But thats just plain embarrassing if you ask me.


Heres my REAL tip: learn how to haul ass down blues and blacks and then trees. Your gonna eat shit bad if you cant control yourself on bigger jumps. Also stop trying 3's and shit until you can ride down the whole mountain switch at good speed. AFTER all that then learn butters, 180 and 360 butters. These will probably help the most with spins.
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:54 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Heres a tip: LEARN TO RIDE FIRST INSTEAD OF TRYING TO SHOW OFF FOR YOUR BUDDIES/ SNOW HOES/ WHATEVER.

Why are you washing out when your trying backflips? Because you dont know how to fucking ride and your trying backflips. I dont care what you did before, even if the 6 days you rode for 24 hours you dont have enough experience. After 30+ days of solid riding MAYBE you will know what I mean. You have to become one with your edges and that takes time. Or dont. I mean Mark Mcmorris is a pro who throws triple corks all day and he cant ride powder steeps for shit! But thats just plain embarrassing if you ask me.


Heres my REAL tip: learn how to haul ass down blues and blacks and then trees. Your gonna eat shit bad if you cant control yourself on bigger jumps. Also stop trying 3's and shit until you can ride down the whole mountain switch at good speed. AFTER all that then learn butters, 180 and 360 butters. These will probably help the most with spins.
What if I don't enjoy powder, etc? I don't care for hauling ass down hills because that isn't what I enjoy. :/ I can ride switch for awhile, but I think it will be a bit easier with a twin tip. Im going to keep trying 3s, and I am going to get that backflip next time i ride.
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:11 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Heres a tip: LEARN TO RIDE FIRST INSTEAD OF TRYING TO SHOW OFF FOR YOUR BUDDIES/ SNOW HOES/ WHATEVER.

Why are you washing out when your trying backflips? Because you dont know how to fucking ride and your trying backflips. I dont care what you did before, even if the 6 days you rode for 24 hours you dont have enough experience. After 30+ days of solid riding MAYBE you will know what I mean. You have to become one with your edges and that takes time. Or dont. I mean Mark Mcmorris is a pro who throws triple corks all day and he cant ride powder steeps for shit! But thats just plain embarrassing if you ask me.


Heres my REAL tip: learn how to haul ass down blues and blacks and then trees. Your gonna eat shit bad if you cant control yourself on bigger jumps. Also stop trying 3's and shit until you can ride down the whole mountain switch at good speed. AFTER all that then learn butters, 180 and 360 butters. These will probably help the most with spins.
This is excellent advice. If you don't like powder or trees, then skip that part. But to feel comfortable enough on a board, you should be able to first ride down blues and blacks regular with ease. Switch riding helps out a TON as well, just giving you that much better overall board feel and helps you transition from 180s and 540s and stuff. You can add some minor park stuff to be familiar with it like straight air off jumps and 5050s. then when you can ride switch, try some 180s and boardslides, and progress from there. sure, you might be able to land some of this stuff early, but your going to look a lot more comfortable and have more style if you can flat out ride a snowboard first.
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:18 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I do believe you can do some of the stuff you're talking about - forcing rotations, backflips etc - that stuff you can do when you have a background doing similar tricks in other sports.

However, I think you're also shooting yourself in the foot right now by trying tricks with bad basic execution technique because you learnt basic snowboard technique then jumped to freestyle without bothering to properly master it.

It sounds like what you're doing right now is forcing rotations and trying to compensate for the sketchy basic carving/timing technique because you have good aerial awareness and solid rotation skills.

What you need to do to spin smooth 360s and more:

Go work on your carving and spin initiation and release. Even if you're carving now after 6 days, I'm willing to bet your edge to edge carving technique is still sketchy, especially as you reach faster speeds, which is why you can't get enough rotation on your 360s.

You can continue to force 360 rotations if you want and leapfrog properly mastering carving, but man will your spins be ugly and cringe worthy.

Can you learn to backflip and land 360s in a week? Absolutely.

Should you learn backflips and 360s in a week? Almost never... unless you want to be the guy with the worst looking tricks in the park who always looks like he's about to crash.

Not to mention you're killing yourself later when it comes to bigger tricks like 720s and beyond that REQUIRE mastery of carving and other basic techniques.
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I do believe you can do some of the stuff you're talking about - forcing rotations, backflips etc - that stuff you can do when you have a background doing similar tricks in other sports.

However, I think you're also shooting yourself in the foot right now by trying tricks with bad basic execution technique because you learnt basic snowboard technique then jumped to freestyle without bothering to properly master it.

It sounds like what you're doing right now is forcing rotations and trying to compensate for the sketchy basic carving/timing technique because you have good aerial awareness and solid rotation skills.

What you need to do to spin smooth 360s and more:

Go work on your carving and spin initiation and release. Even if you're carving now after 6 days, I'm willing to bet your edge to edge carving technique is still sketchy, especially as you reach faster speeds, which is why you can't get enough rotation on your 360s.

You can continue to force 360 rotations if you want and leapfrog properly mastering carving, but man will your spins be ugly and cringe worthy.

Can you learn to backflip and land 360s in a week? Absolutely.

Should you learn backflips and 360s in a week? Almost never... unless you want to be the guy with the worst looking tricks in the park who always looks like he's about to crash.

Not to mention you're killing yourself later when it comes to bigger tricks like 720s and beyond that REQUIRE mastery of carving and other basic techniques.
^ Thank you for something I was looking for I appreciate these tips, Ill just leave backflips to side hits for now and Ill continue park, but I will definitely start spending more time on the slopes improving my carving. As I think of it, that is probably my problem with the 360s. I will continue to push myself on the jumps, just airing them for now. And Ill keep it up on the rails and boxes.

Thank you
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:36 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Practice buttering. Learning to butter forces you to further master your edge control and body weight positioning.

It's helped me fine-tune my board control tremendously.
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Old 12-12-2012, 07:11 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Snowolf brings up a good point. You don't need hit anything more than small boxes and the smallest jumps you can find to master the basics of jumping, spinning and jibbing.

People mistake bigger as better, but bigger is actually worse for learning because it increases your chances of injury, especially in the early stages where you'll be crashing a lot.

For example, when I first started learning spins, I perfected 360s on 5 to 10 foot jumps before taking them to anything bigger.

It's only when I started working on 720s to 1080s that I started learning on bigger jumps because I needed the airtime.

You should always master new tricks on small features first then take the same trick to a bigger feature AFTER you've figured it out.

Freestyle snowboarding is about risk management. Anyone can progress fast, but you have to do it smart if you want to progress fast AND limit your injury time.
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