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Old 01-08-2013, 02:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I need help perfecting my frontside 360. It doesn't look as smooth as I would like it to be. You can also see the landing of me spinning another 180 on the ground. How do I stop from doing that?

any tips or suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thank you!

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Old 01-08-2013, 03:00 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Here's a cool little tutorial, hope it helps! Post another vid later with your progression



@ around 1:20 he talks about spotting your landing too soon, which can lead to that over rotation you're experiencing.
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you landed super tail heavy in the backseat, heel edge with a hand drag. It's natural that you have next to zero control over the board in this situation, spinning out probably saved you a nasty scorpion

All things considered I don't know how you muscled around a 3.

Your arms are doing some crazy stuff for the entire spin and I'm not sure but it didn't look like you were properly looking over your shoulder. I think it's the last part that is really causing the washout and tail-heavy landing, you were nowhere near close to spotting the landing looking forward and opening up to stop the rotation. In fact as you touched down you were basically looking back and down at the tail of your board.

Landing on the bolts will help, too, if you can firmly stomp the landing you'll be less likely to spin out.
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I think you misjudged the amount of air time you'd be getting vs. how hard you had to throw the spin. It looks like your lower body has come around a full 360 when your board hits the ground for the landing, but your upper body is still rotating and it's causing that extra heel spin on the landing. IIRC, you're supposed to land blind (i.e. looking uphill) for a frontside 3.
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My humble observations:

It appears that you wait to huck the last 180 degrees until the very last second. Rather than simultaneously jumping/hucking and THEN spotting your landing, it's as if you jump, spot your landing, and THEN huck.

Look at your face throughout the jump. You're staring at your landing from the second you leave the lip, and though your body is rotating, your head is locked until the last second. Your head and shoulders should be the first body part to rotate, not the last. Lead with your head/face; the rest of your body will follow. You should spot your landing AFTER you've rotated the first 180 degrees.

Honestly, it looks like you're a little timid when it comes to committing to the blind landing. If you fully commit to the first 180 degrees from the start you won't have to huck so hard once you're in the air. This is probably why you're washing out; you still have a lot of rotational force after you land. Proper technique and timing will give you the control needed to stop the spin.

edit: YOU WILL BE LOOKING UPHILL WHEN YOU LAND, and this is what keeps you from rotating into a 540 (blind landing, similar to a BS180).

Can you FS3 on flatland? If not, it's only due to technique, bc its an easy trick. If you can stomp your 3's in the flats you'll have no trouble with jumps.

tldr: Rotate your head first, not last. Spot your landing after the first 180 degrees, not prior.

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Thanks everyone for all your help. I'm going to try all your tips next time I go.
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Old 01-10-2013, 06:29 PM   #7 (permalink)
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3 things:

1) More speed

Hard to tell from the video, but it looks like you came up short on the landing or barely made the landing. You need to take more speed so don't end up bouncing off the knuckle.

2) Carve into the spin

Right now it looks like you're forcing the 360 with your body. I didn't see any real heelside carve and it looked like you just went heelside at the last second and threw your body around.

You were on your heels, but there wasn't any carve which is why you have to huck your body so hard to get rotation.

Work on going into a heelside carve up the ramp and you'll find rotation comes a lot easier.

3) Look back up the landing

As others said, frontside 360s are blind landings, meaning you have to land looking back up the landing as you land the trick to stop the rotation, otherwise you keep spinning into a 540.

You shouldn't be looking back downhill until after you've stomped the trick and are riding away clean.
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This is someone who literally learned how to front 7 in one day last week " only ever spun backside". I'm telling you the best practice for front spins off jumps is front spins on boxes ! Just sesh a wide box all day till you can spin like mad! Just do what you think is natural figure it out your self, then try the exact same maneuver off a jump ( remember to pop, you need to work on that) and you will see how easy front spins really are... Tips spinning on boxes forces you to continue your momentum since there is no air time , while trying 3s off a jump can often give beginners false realizations since its a fairly simple trick but the building block of all spins and place improper form into your muscle memory making it increasingly more difficult to perform greater spins. This is why being a well rounded rider is so important... Also remember to work on switch riding All the time and do front AND back spins, like seriously when your riding around not in park practicing flat front and back as well as switch 180s will step your game up really fast! Wish someone told me that... Do somthing new everyday, don't get repetitive.
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This is someone who literally learned how to front 7 in one day last week " only ever spun backside". I'm telling you the best practice for front spins off jumps is front spins on boxes ! Just sesh a wide box all day till you can spin like mad! Just do what you think is natural figure it out your self, then try the exact same maneuver off a jump ( remember to pop, you need to work on that) and you will see how easy front spins really are... Tips spinning on boxes forces you to continue your momentum since there is no air time , while trying 3s off a jump can often give beginners false realizations since its a fairly simple trick but the building block of all spins and place improper form into your muscle memory making it increasingly more difficult to perform greater spins. This is why being a well rounded rider is so important... Also remember to work on switch riding All the time and do front AND back spins, like seriously when your riding around not in park practicing flat front and back as well as switch 180s will step your game up really fast! Wish someone told me that... Do somthing new everyday, don't get repetitive.
Firstly, you really need to start using paragraphs. It was REALLY hard to read that.

Secondly, learning to spin by 'doing what feels natural' and 'figuring it out yourself' is horrible advice. Do not listen to this advice please.

You should be learning to spin by finding out how to create a smooth spin (eg - watch one of the free snowboard addiction videos on spinning), then practicing to recreate the movement correctly.
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