Pow day set-back - Snowboarding Forum

atr3yu · 01-08-2013, 06:00 PM

Ok, so I ride a Ride Berzerker 158 and it has a 3/4" set-back already on the board when it is set up at reference, which I currently have it at. I have only had her out one deep day this year and I did have some issues keeping the nose up and non-steep terrain. I know lots of this has to do with my skill level as this is only my second season riding. None the less, people that do set-back a little further how much do you normally do? Tomorrow is a pow day for me so I want to do some tweaking tonight to be ready! Thanks guys and gals!

KIRKRIDER · 01-08-2013, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by atr3yu

Ok, so I ride a Ride Berzerker 158 and it has a 3/4" set-back already on the board when it is set up at reference, which I currently have it at. I have only had her out one deep day this year and I did have some issues keeping the nose up and non-steep terrain. I know lots of this has to do with my skill level as this is only my second season riding. None the less, people that do set-back a little further how much do you normally do? Tomorrow is a pow day for me so I want to do some tweaking tonight to be ready! Thanks guys and gals!

Set it all the way back. It will feel more surfy and unstable at seed for sure, but much easier in the deep.
What angles you ride with? I trend to mellow out those too on pow days. I found that +18 + 9 works great to load your quad and calf without straining your back knee too much.

atr3yu · 01-08-2013, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KIRKRIDER

Set it all the way back. It will feel more surfy and unstable at seed for sure, but much easier in the deep.
What angles you ride with? I trend to mellow out those too on pow days. I found that +18 + 9 works great to load your quad and calf without straining your back knee too much.

Ok, if I do set it allllll the way back I imagine I still try to maintain my normal stance width. I know that's a dumb question, but I asked it anyways. I usually ride 18, -6 I have never rode with a positive angle on my back foot before and it may be more change in setup than I can handle in one day. Thank you for the advice though.

KIRKRIDER · 01-08-2013, 06:25 PM

Stance should be the same. Cool, keep your duck angle then. My point is that if you will be mostly loading your back leg, you want it to be in the most comfortable position ( pointing forward slightly)...but that's subjective.

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Originally Posted by atr3yu

Ok, if I do set it allllll the way back I imagine I still try to maintain my normal stance width. I know that's a dumb question, but I asked it anyways. I usually ride 18, -6 I have never rode with a positive angle on my back foot before and it may be more change in setup than I can handle in one day. Thank you for the advice though.

Silver King · 01-08-2013, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by KIRKRIDER

Set it all the way back.

Maybe half of the way back and concentrate on body position. My Never Summer is set back from the factory too and if I stuff the bindings all the way back, my board rides like a 1986 Toyota pick up with two pallets of bricks in it on the groomers. Not to mention toe side turns are a chore. Incremental changes may have better results.

poutanen · 01-08-2013, 06:42 PM

Yeah I'd say try moving it back to the next set of inserts, or maybe two sets. Keep the same stance width and angles...

Just my $.02 of course. FWIW I ride usually at reference stance locations in everything from hardpack to heavy powder days. It does get tiring on the back leg after a while...

atr3yu · 01-08-2013, 11:10 PM

OK so I just set everything back a little, did not go all the way as that just seemed nuts to me looking at it. I ended up with a 21 3/4" stance centre to centre of the bindings. Centre of rear binding to tail is 17 3/4" and centre of front binding to tip is 21 3/4". So I ended up with 4" set back? Is that nuts? Or just ride it and good to go?

poutanen · 01-08-2013, 11:35 PM

Actually that's only a 2" setback (as the centred stance would have them at 19 3/4" tip and tail)... That's pretty mild. I think my board comes with at least that on the reference inserts!

You could go another set of holes back for tomorrow. If they have tools at the hill you could always do a couple runs and swap them back further and give it a try. Only way to really feel a difference in setup is to do it during the day so conditions aren't a variable!

If you do, just make sure you either melt all the snow off and dry the inserts out prior to swapping, or scrape all the snow off and blow into the inserts to melt any snow and hopefully push the water out. Breath is warm enough to melt ice in inserts even out on the hill!

atr3yu · 01-08-2013, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by poutanen

Actually that's only a 2" setback (as the centred stance would have them at 19 3/4" tip and tail)... That's pretty mild. I think my board comes with at least that on the reference inserts!

You could go another set of holes back for tomorrow. If they have tools at the hill you could always do a couple runs and swap them back further and give it a try. Only way to really feel a difference in setup is to do it during the day so conditions aren't a variable!

If you do, just make sure you either melt all the snow off and dry the inserts out prior to swapping, or scrape all the snow off and blow into the inserts to melt any snow and hopefully push the water out. Breath is warm enough to melt ice in inserts even out on the hill!

Ahhh yes, I see what you mean. My math was a little off on that one for sure. It's funny that its only 2" as looking at the board it looks like a ton more...lol I think I'll just give it a rip as is and change it up tomorrow at the hill if need be. Thank you once again!

Triple8Sol · 01-09-2013, 10:46 AM

This ^

I've always struggled with setting bindings back in a way the board isn't designed for. Tried it a few times and hated it, and really haven't done it since. Now I just keep a board in the quiver that excels at pow whether pow-specific or just one with great float.

01-08-2013, 06:00 PM	#1 (permalink)
atr3yu Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Nelson, BC Posts: 469	Pow day set-back Ok, so I ride a Ride Berzerker 158 and it has a 3/4" set-back already on the board when it is set up at reference, which I currently have it at. I have only had her out one deep day this year and I did have some issues keeping the nose up and non-steep terrain. I know lots of this has to do with my skill level as this is only my second season riding. None the less, people that do set-back a little further how much do you normally do? Tomorrow is a pow day for me so I want to do some tweaking tonight to be ready! Thanks guys and gals!

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Triple8Sol Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Seattle Posts: 3,686 Blog Entries: 1	This ^ I've always struggled with setting bindings back in a way the board isn't designed for. Tried it a few times and hated it, and really haven't done it since. Now I just keep a board in the quiver that excels at pow whether pow-specific or just one with great float. __________________ 14 NeverSummer Proto HD . 13 Never Summer Cobra . 12 Gnu Rider's Choice C2PTX 13 Now IPO . 12 K2 Formula . 11 K2 Formula 13 NB x 686 580

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01-08-2013, 06:42 PM	#6 (permalink)
poutanen Resident Creep-o-saurus Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Calgary, AB Posts: 3,486	Yeah I'd say try moving it back to the next set of inserts, or maybe two sets. Keep the same stance width and angles... Just my $.02 of course. FWIW I ride usually at reference stance locations in everything from hardpack to heavy powder days. It does get tiring on the back leg after a while...

01-08-2013, 11:10 PM	#7 (permalink)
atr3yu Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Nelson, BC Posts: 469	OK so I just set everything back a little, did not go all the way as that just seemed nuts to me looking at it. I ended up with a 21 3/4" stance centre to centre of the bindings. Centre of rear binding to tail is 17 3/4" and centre of front binding to tip is 21 3/4". So I ended up with 4" set back? Is that nuts? Or just ride it and good to go?

01-08-2013, 11:35 PM	#8 (permalink)
poutanen Resident Creep-o-saurus Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Calgary, AB Posts: 3,486	Actually that's only a 2" setback (as the centred stance would have them at 19 3/4" tip and tail)... That's pretty mild. I think my board comes with at least that on the reference inserts! You could go another set of holes back for tomorrow. If they have tools at the hill you could always do a couple runs and swap them back further and give it a try. Only way to really feel a difference in setup is to do it during the day so conditions aren't a variable! If you do, just make sure you either melt all the snow off and dry the inserts out prior to swapping, or scrape all the snow off and blow into the inserts to melt any snow and hopefully push the water out. Breath is warm enough to melt ice in inserts even out on the hill!