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Old 02-13-2013, 11:02 PM   #71 (permalink)
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I started flatspinning 360's before I started riding switch and it helped A LOT. I'd start doing them super slow and drawn out and work on being able to complete the 3 in the smallest distance I could down the hill. Eventually I'd be spinning like a top for 50% of a green run and looking like a fool.

I'm regular stance and found it easier to do by starting with a toeside turn since when you do the last 180 switch you'd be on your heels.

I got comfortable being able to go back to my regualr stance when facing the wrong direction and it makes you get down the feeling of being able to turn the board and stop if you need to if you draw out the motions of completing the 360.

Shorty after I started actually linking turns switch and can flat spin a 360 frontside or backside on command. Also opens the door for starting butters and airing spins too. Made me way more comfortable when I was starting
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Old 02-14-2013, 08:11 AM   #72 (permalink)
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There really is no other secret aside from riding switch as much as possible. I'm at the point where I can ride about as fast switch as regular on blues, almost as fast on blacks but I'm a little nervous in trees, pretty good in moguls... I ride switch ALL the time. On any given run I'll pop 180's off anything I see and roll switch to the next one then half cab back to regs. This is great practice for fs/bs 180s reg and switch as well and it made my riding 100 times more fun. Also buttering into switch is fun too. Point is ride switch as much as possible and soon enough you will be really good at it.... there is no "secret".
Agree completely. When I tried to force just riding switch I resisted a bit. Then I did the same as you, my switch is way better and I have a ton of fun with it.

The nice thing with 180s and nose rolls to switch is you get really good at either landing in on edge or throwing the edge in. Makes carving switch easier I think.

For me, my edge transition are what I need more work with, mostly just heel to toe. I think I incline a bit, instead of really driving the knees. Once on edge I can carve fine.

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Old 02-14-2013, 08:34 AM   #73 (permalink)
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My advice is don't put off learning it, as soon as you can. Start now! My instructor had me try a switch turn pretty much as soon as I'd managed a regular one and I thank him for that because i intuitively did it and have never feared it since that day.

I've always made a point of immediately trying the switch version of whatever I've learnt regular. Blue run top to bottom on the first day of my second week, cross under carves, powder, spins etc. I've even caught myself having to look at the board on occasion to check which way I'm riding

Technique wise, I find simply running through a quick mental checklist is all I need: weight centred, feel the pressure on each foot (shuffle backwards and forwards a couple of times if need be), are my shoulders inline with the board, where are my hands. (That process has largely shifted to my subconscious now though). Everything else just takes care of itself then. It might take a couple of turns to really get in the flow but that's it.

BUT, despite a good start, the more I've ridden (and it's not been anywhere to 50/50) the less confident I feel riding switch relatively speaking. I'll ride switch if the board happens to be pointing that way but I'll tent to revert before to long unless I force myself, particularly if it's steep or challenging.

SO to underline what many others have already said: force yourself to do it, set goals big or small but set them! And then keep doing it. Theres just no substitute for snowmiles whichever direction you're pointed in. And if you're finding it difficult that goes double!

Just don't give up because you tried it a couple of times and it didn't work out.

As a baby you couldn't walk. It took you a LOT more than a couple of tries to crack that... Remember what kind of perseverance you are capable of
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Just here to confirm that flatland 360s will help your switch riding significantly.
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Old 02-14-2013, 03:39 PM   #75 (permalink)
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There really is no other secret aside from riding switch as much as possible. I'm at the point where I can ride about as fast switch as regular on blues, almost as fast on blacks but I'm a little nervous in trees, pretty good in moguls... I ride switch ALL the time. On any given run I'll pop 180's off anything I see and roll switch to the next one then half cab back to regs. This is great practice for fs/bs 180s reg and switch as well and it made my riding 100 times more fun. Also buttering into switch is fun too. Point is ride switch as much as possible and soon enough you will be really good at it.... there is no "secret".

wow. I am impressed. I have a friend who has done 11 seasons here and he is faster on his switch side than I am on my regular. Granted I am not a speed lapper but wow. You are probably the same.
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On any given run I'll pop 180's off anything I see and roll switch to the next one then half cab back to regs.
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Give yourself a reason to be riding switch a lot. 180s are actually pretty trivial (fs anyway) once you get the hang of them. You can hop them on the piste or off a side hit. Only allow yourself to revert using a butter or spin. I quite enjoy popping a nose roll nollie over a little lip, or even just on the flat to get back to regular.
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:47 PM   #77 (permalink)
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Tried switch the other day and it looks like a much longer process than I thought. First, my leg that I thought was in shape is not. My calf and high ankle got tired in a hurry. I managed to try a bit of falling leaf for a bit and some turns to full stops with 4 in a row at the most. Keeping my hands on my knees helped but I kept going more and more to one side of the hill until I was almost in the trees. My body doesn't want to go switch. No matter what, I end up looking over the wrong shoulder even if my body is going the other direction. At one point I was actually looking up the hill. At least I'm seeing a bit of progress, even if it is at the same pace as 4 year old beginners.
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Old 02-19-2013, 12:36 PM   #78 (permalink)
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Have been trying to learn switch on my NS Heritage this year - it's been a slow progress, can do heelside, but having issues toeside. Set up my Bataleon Jam yesterday switch, and rode all day, and immediately had a better time. Much easier to go heel to toe, and I got it down pretty pat! Only issue was sketchy loading/unloading, but there are worse things...

Really, seemed much easier with the Bataleon.
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wow. I am impressed. I have a friend who has done 11 seasons here and he is faster on his switch side than I am on my regular. Granted I am not a speed lapper but wow. You are probably the same.
Ha don't be, I'm no pro I just do it a lot. Lately I've been working on switch ollies off rollers which feel awkward, not ollyiing so much as landing for some reason and I was hittng boxes switch yesterday which is also awkward. So I guess even when you ride switch well theres always a bit of awkwardness to it... I can't understand how guys like Torstein can to a switch triple cork.
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For me, problems riding switch are most apparent on challenging terrain (steeps, bumps). Every time, I can fix it by bending my front knee more (both, but especially the FRONT knee), and sufficiently weighting the front foot for turn initiation. Really, those are both the same thing. Sometimes it's frustrating to know exactly how to correct a problem and still have trouble making it work, but the more I bend my knees/ankles, the better I get.
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