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Old 01-20-2013, 12:36 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I've been trying to do spins lately, and things havent been going well. I know how to do them, I just can't. I seem to freeze up while in the air, or can't finish the turn. This happens a lot when I try to 180 off boxes and such (even though I can easily just air to fakie on the snow), but I can more or less control the 180. Any tips?
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I'm confused, are you saying you have problems finish your 180 rotations or you're having problems rotating past 180 into 360?

It's possible you're counter rotating (swinging your upper body left to get your lower body to turn 180 right or vice-versa) and that could be what's stopping your rotation, but we're going to need a lot more details on exactly what you're doing and what you're trying to do.

Also, video of yourself riding will help a ton, because otherwise a lot of it will just be us guessing at possible problems.
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Old 01-20-2013, 06:56 AM   #3 (permalink)
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How To 180 (Regular) - Snowboard Addiction - YouTube

Can't hurt to watch this...it helped me.
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I've been trying to do spins lately, and things havent been going well. I know how to do them, I just can't. I seem to freeze up while in the air, or can't finish the turn. This happens a lot when I try to 180 off boxes and such (even though I can easily just air to fakie on the snow), but I can more or less control the 180. Any tips?
It sounds like you're not entering the aerial with enough spin. The 2 basic ways to 180 is via rotation and via counter-rotation. You body in the air can't spin by itself. So it needs help.

Rotation - you INITIATE the spin while you're still on the ground. With proper timing, your body will rotate 180 while you're in the air before you land.

Counter-Rotation - you twist your body and arms arround 90 degrees before the air. While in the air, you release the twist 180 in the opposite direction...and your board will rotate opposite of that 180. This applies the Law of Conservation of Momentum. Because your top mass rotates 180 while your bottom mass rotates -180. Actually, that's simplified for understanding, but it really depends on your specific upper body how much you have to rotate to get the bottom half to rotate -180.

When you're good enough, you can mix both techniques while in the air to make it more acurate or perform this trick called a "Shiftie".

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I've been trying to do spins lately, and things havent been going well. I know how to do them, I just can't. I seem to freeze up while in the air, or can't finish the turn. This happens a lot when I try to 180 off boxes and such (even though I can easily just air to fakie on the snow), but I can more or less control the 180. Any tips?
when moving over a Bump, knob, roller etc... try buttering or reverting the whole 180 around while your board is still on the ground, this eliminates alot of the risk of falling. This will help get your rotation down and put you into a semi-air situation. Once you get this technique nailed, over ther same rollers youve mastered, start bringing your knees up so you board leaves the ground. The transition between on ground 180's and in the air 180's should be pretty smooth.
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It sounds like you're not entering the aerial with enough spin. The 2 basic ways to 180 is via rotation and via counter-rotation. You body in the air can't spin by itself. So it needs help.

Rotation - you INITIATE the spin while you're still on the ground. With proper timing, your body will rotate 180 while you're in the air before you land.

Counter-Rotation - you twist your body and arms arround 90 degrees before the air. While in the air, you release the twist 180 in the opposite direction...and your board will rotate opposite of that 180. This applies the Law of Conservation of Momentum. Because your top mass rotates 180 while your bottom mass rotates -180. Actually, that's simplified for understanding, but it really depends on your specific upper body how much you have to rotate to get the bottom half to rotate -180.

When you're good enough, you can mix both techniques while in the air to make it more acurate or perform this trick called a "Shiftie".
OMG, not the whole counter rotation thing again...

Can you please stop giving your so-called 'advice' on riding techniques? Most of us here know that your explanations are bullshit, but you could do real harm if some newbies were to follow your 'instructions'
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OMG, not the whole counter rotation thing again...

Can you please stop giving your so-called 'advice' on riding techniques? Most of us here know that your explanations are bullshit, but you could do real harm if some newbies were to follow your 'instructions'
I could be wrong but i think Snowboard Addiction has a whole section in the 180 video that would agree with what he said.
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I could be wrong but i think Snowboard Addiction has a whole section in the 180 video that would agree with what he said.
You are wrong. The SA videos used the old CASI terminology for a while (possibly still do), but the concepts are not what he describes - the SA guys are talking about 'anticipatory counter' where the board 'follows' the upper body around. There is no counter-rotation of the upper body.
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You are wrong. The SA videos used the old CASI terminology for a while (possibly still do), but the concepts are not what he describes - the SA guys are talking about 'anticipatory counter' where the board 'follows' the upper body around. There is no counter-rotation of the upper body.
Actually counter-rotation is a legit technique for creating rotations 180 degrees or under and I know firsthand that Nev teaches counter-rotation.

In regards to spinning off a jump you typically don't use counter-rotation, but you use counter-rotation all the time for certain 180s off rails, boxes and for shiftys as well.
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hmmm, not sure i understand what you are saying. His words are "we can spin using counter rotations" and then the video shows that you would start a front 1 with your hands forward, as you jump your lower body switches around and your back shoulder comes forward. He says its good for jumping onto boxes and rails to stop your rotation.

I don't see a difference from what was shown in the video vs what he said. Again i could very easily be wrong but it seems like what he said is what they show.
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