Frontside boardslides are usually what you want to start working on after 50/50s.
So the next step is frontside boardslides on boxes before 50/50s on rails? I was always kinda more afraid to try an FS board on a box because I imagine there is a TON more chances to catch your board and eat it (especially with my NS SL). I imagine on a rail some tricks are easier since your board has less surface area in contact with the feature... so I've been waiting to progress from my 50/50 box slides to learn 50/50 rails and then learn FS board on rails. Is this a horrible idea?
Also it'd be cool if someone can post a recommended progression order list for different tricks on boxes and rails.
Last edited by onthefence; 01-30-2013 at 05:31 AM.
I recommend doing a backboard first before trying to 180 off a 5050. With boxes and rails it is important not to edge, this will cause you stop slip out easily. Getting used to how to keep the board flat is critical. 5050s help a little here, but they are easy to keep yourself stacked and board flat. When rotating for a 180 off or doing a board slide you may have the habit from normal riding to edge a little.
To do a goofy backboard:
*Ride on the box at a comfortable speed, as if you will 5050 it
*Keep your weight a little forward
*Your hands should be slightly to the front of the board
*Once on the box rotate your upper body towards the back of the board
*your left hand will be out behind you, right hand in front of you
*this will have caused to board to come perpendicular to the box
*at the end of the box realign with the board and ride away
I am no expert, but something roughly like the img I attached.
I agree that back boardslide is easier to learn (and so it might logically be the next step in progression) but I would not recommend any sort of "rotate your upper body towards the back of the board". NO. On a bs boardslide there is absolutely no reason to rotate your upper body, ever. You approach the feature, pop and swing your nose over the feature and stick it somewhere between your inserts. Keep your eyes focused at or beyond the end of the feature, resist the temptation to look down to "spot your landing" on the box/rail.
For either front or back boards, if you are not comfortable popping right in to the maneuver, you can always ride on as in a 50-50 and a slight swivel/shifty of the hips will swing the board out perpendicular.
In this video I do that swivel technique to front board, and I do it pretty slowly so hopefully it's a good illustration for ya:
As for progression overall I think I would do 50/50, boardslide, frontside lipslide, backside lipslide, frontside boardslide. There's really no right or wrong way to go through these basic tricks but to me this felt like the most natural progression. Once you're comfortable with a few of these on boxes then step up to bigger features, then bigger tricks.
Remember when progressing, if you're doing a bigger feature for the first time, dial back the trick. If you're doing a bigger trick for the first time, do it on a bigger feature. So when you're ready to do your first 270, do it on a ride-on box, not a double kink handrail
Cheers for the input guys. I've found out I'm going riding again on Sunday for few hours so will practice some of this stuff. As I'm in England and its only indoor slopes that are open and the one I'm going to only have ride on boxes at the moment I believe I will practice the stuff you have listed on them to see how I get on with it. Definitely want to try and progress as much as possible as had a great time on Monday
The rotate your upper body is exactly what you are doing with your 'swivel technique'. When not jumping on to the box to start, and instead doing more like Dave did in your video where he 5050 the first part, I think it is easier to use your arms.
As for popping on ya, it is more of a hip movement, but also arms.
Not a "horrible" idea but a 50/50 on a rail is way harder than boardsliding a box. It is so damn easy to stack your weight just ever so slightly wrong and have the board slip off of that narrow rail. I have take the skin off of both shins to the bone trying to 50/50 hand rails. Most park riders will say that a boardslide on a rail is way easier that a 50/50. At 47 I am not doing rails period!....so over it.....
I will hit boxes and 50/50 and boardslide and play with some presses and spins but that`s it!
As for a progression when it comes to jibbing there is no right or wrong but in general, most people progress with 50/50 on boxes then move up to 50/50 on boxes requiring an Ollie to get on. They may move on to boardlsides or switch 50/50.
Then people generally will 50/50 with a 180 off and play around with presses and spinning while on the box. There is the whole 270 on /off trick as well. Honestly there is no real end of things you can do progressing on a box.
Some people go right to rails and that`s totally okay too. Its totally up to the rider the order in which they do things.
Personally, I've found counter-rotating off a box 180 easier than boardslides, which I have not really been able to do successfully because I fell too hard on them and don't really want to do it anymore.