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And yes, hind sight is 20/20, now it seems a little silly to say that but I was just basing it off of the resources I had to go off of. What I should have said was I don't know the proper way to go off jumps and stuff, can you guys help. Any retard can go fast and hit a jump and crash, I was looking for pointers to avoid the latter
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So, I'll help too.

There are 2 basic airs you are looking at, booters and ollies.

In order to learn these, you first should learn to pop with both feet. As you come over a nice roller or approach a steep section of run, just pop both feet into the air, don't flex the board or press or do anything but give the natural flow of the jump a little 3-6 inch pop with your knees. This is the basic mechanic of leaving the lip of a proper booter, but as Donutz said, there are several other issues like speed, setup, etc.

The best way I can explain to ollie off a roller is to put some pressure towards your front foot as you approach, then right as you are ready to use that tail flex, you roll your weight a bit back as you initiate the ollie. You can ollie without this, but you can really boost it and get all the snap out of your board this way. Just remember that as you go into the air and land that you want to be center weighted.

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Yea I was just fucking with you, but going around saying "I'm an advanced rider, how do I catch air." Is just asking for it.
+1!!! It does come across as odd. And bigmountain, I rode with a bunch of hardbooters a few weeks ago. Lots of them can catch air even between their turns, let alone off rollers and lips. Sure they're not doing grabs or spins, but I'd say being comfortable leaving the snow for a second and returning to it is almost a pre-requisite for calling yourself "advanced".

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I realize the classifications are there for getting help on the internet, but "doing black runs" only means that you maybe have passed beginnerhood.
Here's my rough guess at our little forum/internet classification:

Beginner = From brand new to able to do dynamic turns on blues, and falling leaf on anything steeper. You may hop on flat terrain to try to feel what a board is like in the air. In the park you ride over the small jumps but don't get any air, you may ride over some of the boxes.

Intermediate = Able to dynamically turn, and maybe do the occasional carve on most on-piste terrain, spend some time on moderate off-piste runs, in the park this is somebody that can hit rails and some of the smaller jumps clean

Advanced = comfortable on the board, can handle moguls, carve (not skid) any on-piste terrain, comfortable getting some air off rollers, lips, able to make it through almost all off-piste terrain although sometimes resorts to sliding down the steepest chutes, for a park rider they're doing 360s, grabs, etc. off bigger features

Expert = Enjoys all off-piste terrain, jumps off-piste, handling small cliffs, steep chutes, variable snow, can carve HARD on hardpacked snow with confidence, takes chances with bigger air on-piste, for the park rider you're executing big tricks off big jumps

Professional = You're an expert who has been lucky enough to get paid to do it, and when the camera's on you you'll drop off 20-30 foot cliffs instead of 10 footers.

just my $.02 of course!
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Thanks klinger, what I wanted to know is would it be better to "pop" or Ollie off of jumps as a beginner park rider and with your help I've figured it out. I retract my former statement of you being a troll, I hope my new internet friend will forgive me( see I can use sarcasm too)
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When on natural lips or actual jumps in the park, don't ollie, this will really fuck you up.

First you just wanna hit it at the right speed and just ride over it, nothing fancy. Later as you get comfy with the approach and speed, yea both feet pop.

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Yeah, I would agree with those classifications for the forum, but they are not real world expectations. I just really disagree with the consideration of ones freestyle ability when determining their freeride ability (small pops in between turns aside.) Just cause we are snowboarders, does not mean we need to ride rails to be considered legit (maybe on this forum though.)

It also varies from mountain to mountain. I am comfortable teaching so-called "advanced" lessons at my home mountain in Maine, but would I do the same in Colorado or Utah? Hells no! I would be teaching intermediate lessons at the max.

You go to ANY mountain, and I am willing to bet that with the advanced or expert ski lessons, very few of them take freestyle ability (rails, boxes, booters) in to consideration unless asked for specifically. Why should we?

Is a NASCAR driver any less of an advanced driver because he couldn't be a beast on an jeep filled, off road, mud covered, hill-climb course? I think not.
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Okay I reinstate my previously retracted statement about you klinger, I'm glad too, I wouldn't be able to be internet friends with someone who doesn't like to troll like myself. Maybe we should exchange YouTube account names and then we could troll snowboard videos together and say hateful things to them!! And your example there is excellent, you deserve a slow clap emoticon
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Don't overthink it. It's a similar motion to how you would jump off your feet without a snowboard. Bend your knees, then extend upwards and leave the ground with a extra force/thrust from your legs right as you lose contact with the ground(lip of the jump).

It should be a smooth motion, bend the knees during the approach (to generate power), slowly straighten the knees and rise up as you ride up the jump (turn that power into upwards momentum) and then pop. I would recommend skipping the actual popping motion and just ride off the jump at first. If your holding your speed instead of scrubbing during the approach you should get a little bit of air just riding over the jump, which will help you get familiar with the process and get your timing down.

The other part about jumping is you want to be riding relatively straight while engaging a slight edge angle so you are not completely flat based. If you're carving blacks like you say then this shouldn't be too foreign of a concept. This will allow you to jump off both your heel (this will feel a little unnatural at first) and toe edge.
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The other part about jumping is you want to be riding relatively straight while engaging a slight edge angle so you are not completely flat based. If you're carving blacks like you say then this shouldn't be too foreign of a concept. This will allow you to jump off both your heel (this will feel a little unnatural at first) and toe edge.
Wouldn't this be for spins only?
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Wouldn't this be for spins only?
I actually engage a slight toe-edge going over jumps for straight airs because I have a tendency to go heelside otherwise and end up doing a frontside 90.



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