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post #81 of 128 (permalink) Old 02-25-2013, 08:30 PM
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In a cross under turn, the rider is most extended at apex and most flexed at edge change when the board crosses under the body. To be most flexed at this point, the rider sort of has to down unweight.
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between 1:29 and 1:35

especially, those first few turns he takes, what category do these turns fall under?

why is it that they look rather simple/easy but i can't for the life of me imagine pulling something like this off on say 43 degree terrain, even when i aggressively push myself into a turn it just turns into a glorified sideslip/falling leaf...and god forbid i try to link that into another turn i just end up washing out my edge

it's not the easiest but i can swing/link some turns on 35-40 but anything higher and it's just not happening for me.
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made my first powder turns today also went over 40mph(still seemed slow) did a couple double black tree runs. did some hiking to board in knee deep powder. bombed every blue run without ever slidesliping. dynamic skidded runs and a few carves. took a couple 3-4 foot drops. landed none. went down some really steep chutes. I was able to move my lower body separate from my upper body.
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made my first powder turns today also went over 40mph(still seemed slow) did a couple double black tree runs. did some hiking to board in knee deep powder. bombed every blue run without ever slidesliping. dynamic skidded runs and a few carves. took a couple 3-4 foot drops. landed none. went down some really steep chutes. I was able to move my lower body separate from my upper body.
Even non-landed powder drops are a blast!
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Even non-landed powder drops are a blast!
super fun. at least the last 2 my
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WTF, this is your first season and you're doing double blacks at stevens?

BTW, where is outer limits? It doesn't seem to be on the trail map.

Also, which blues did you find the best to practice these techniques on? The problem I have at stevens is moguls/bumps show up on the blue runs extremely quickly. I can do those, but it's not that easy to practice new turning techniques and deal with moguls or bumps at the same time. Instead of focusing on the correct motions, I'm worrying about hitting the next bump safely. Some are better than others so I'm curious what spots you found to be good.

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DB not because of pitch but because of the difficulty with all the trees, and anywhere outta bounds is DB. outter limits is on the backside of the map to the far right. it's a little path. hogsback or Gemini for the blues. we should go ride together bro
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So after another 3 hour lesson of free riding techniques. It seems like the pandora's box has been opened and everything that was learned previously have been called into question.

I can do cross-unders no problem on smoother terrain, but had trouble with them on big bumps. We worked on super exaggerated twist motion then tried that with cross under movement/Down unweight while adding in upper body alignment. The whole thing feels like learning to snowboard again, info overload on the muscles, not mention the pain.

Then we practiced a few things that seemed complete opposite of snowboarding knowledge. Shoulder movement (not exceeding the new edge change direction, which required opening up slightly on carves and tight turns, the amount of opening is asymmetrical on toe and heel edge changes. It also dictates which edge is optimal for different terrain changes ahead.

Then we went into reduces edge angle overall even on steep terrain, drill was trying push feet almost flat with terrain. The idea is with minimal twist you can spread some snow over the terrain coming up next and avoid digging into bumps/rocks trees underneath snow on variable conditions, and use the base to push against uneven ground to establish support.

The gist is that I need to make any movement that is not dependent on snow conditions as primary areas on control in off piste terrain. (Shuffle feet to move weight aft-fore, upper body movement, twist motions.) Seems completely opposite to the intermediate lessons.

The advanced level of riding is like another ball game. I didn't think it would get this complicated. I thought I might be getting close at decent free riding, but it just seems like years of practice before I can proclaim to be proficient.

Bonus points, learned how to euro carve (poorly)

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Haha, when I started reading through the thread and saw you were around here and reasonably close in skill level I was gonna suggest that. Then within 2 weeks and a couple pages of the thread you are talking about shredding blacks with no problems and even doing DBs Not sure I can keep up with you now!

I think I'm pretty much where you were when you made the thread, side slipping a lot down blacks, struggling to link turns without stopping at every transition. Gonna study Snowolf's advice and try the same things. Last time out I tried Parachute (under hogsback chair) and that didn't go well at all haha. It didn't look *that* steep from the chair, but when I got on it, I felt like if I even initiated a turn, the momentum going into the next apex was going to send me rolling down that thing.
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So after another 3 hour lesson of free riding techniques. It seems like the pandora's box has been opened and everything that was learned previously have been called into question.

I can do cross-unders no problem on smoother terrain, but had trouble with them on big bumps. We worked on super exaggerated twist motion then tried that with cross under movement/Down unweight while adding in upper body alignment. The whole thing feels like learning to snowboard again, info overload on the muscles, not mention the pain.

Then we practiced a few things that seemed complete opposite of snowboarding knowledge. Shoulder movement (not exceeding the new edge change direction, which required opening up slightly on carves and tight turns, the amount of opening is asymmetrical on toe and heel edge changes. It also dictates which edge is optimal for different terrain changes ahead.

Then we went into reduces edge angle overall even on steep terrain, drill was trying push feet almost flat with terrain. The idea is with minimal twist you can spread some snow over the terrain coming up next and avoid digging into bumps/rocks trees underneath snow on variable conditions, and use the base to push against uneven ground to establish support.

The gist is that I need to make any movement that is not dependent on snow conditions as primary areas on control in off piste terrain. (Shuffle feet to move weight aft-fore, upper body movement, twist motions.) Seems completely opposite to the intermediate lessons.

The advanced level of riding is like another ball game. I didn't think it would get this complicated. I thought I might be getting close at decent free riding, but it just seems like years of practice before I can proclaim to be proficient.

Bonus points, learned how to euro carve (poorly)

what did i just read... i feel like it's the key to my next progression but i can't for the life of me understand this.
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DB not because of pitch but because of the difficulty with all the trees, and anywhere outta bounds is DB. outter limits is on the backside of the map to the far right. it's a little path. hogsback or Gemini for the blues. we should go ride together bro
Are you riding the trees just to the right of the powerlines or are you traversing far right past the out of bounds sign onto the other side of the creek bed? Most of that stuff is pretty mellow but fun. I don't really consider that area double black though. Stuff like wild katz, most of the drops into tye bowl and the chutes up on 7th heaven are where you really can get yourself into trouble.
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