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Old 02-10-2013, 08:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Went down my first black diamond run today. 90% was challenging but not really hard. the first 10% was for me very hard. it was very steep and I couldn't figure out how to get down and not fall. toeside was no problem but when I transitioned to heel side I ended up on my ass everytime. I could get to it but when the board was parallel I couldn't keep the edge. any tips would be great. if it matters it was my 7th time ever and I ride goofy.
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Old 02-10-2013, 09:17 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Did heelside seem choppy, or like your board could never dig in its edge completely?
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Old 02-10-2013, 09:24 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Did heelside seem choppy, or like your board could never dig in its edge completely?
both actually. that's exactly how it felt.
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Old 02-10-2013, 10:33 PM   #4 (permalink)
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We have a couple of threads talking about this topic and I have posted a lot of technique in them. This is a very common issue and it is the result of a combination of factors. Number one of which is stiff legs and leaning back over the heel edge. The steeper the terrain the lower you need to be. Squat into the heelside turn and really flex the ankles to keep your body over the board not way out over the heel edge.

Another issue is too much acceleration through turn entry so that when the board moves through the bottom of the turn, there is too much force generated to maintain edge hold. Working the top of the turn and setting the the new edge earlier in the turn is crucial for speed control through your turn.

To ride steeps with any success, you need to ride very dynamically and at 7 times riding, the reality is you are not there yet. It takes time to progress into dynamic skidded turns, basic carved turns and dynamic carved turns. Start you progression into dynamic riding by focusing on keeping your body in motion at all times and never getting static on the board. The key to this is flexing and extending constantly and timing these movements so that they correctly coincide with the phase of each turn you are in.

Right now, I want you to start practicing getting as low as you possibly can when the board is across the fall line and making your edge change before the board dives down into the fall line. As soon as the turn is established, slowly extend up through the turn to increase edge pressure. Do this all the way through the apex of turn; you should be most extended at apex and most flexed as the crosses the fall line. As the board passes through the apex of the turn and you are steering it back out of the fall line across the hill, slowly begin to flex again and if heelside, squat into more and more as is drives through the bottom of the turn.

Later on, fore-aft movements will need to be added to increase effectiveness but at your stage of riding, focus on learning each new task one at a time. Really focus on flexion/extension.

Now, when you come out of the bottom of your turn , if you feel the chatter start, imediately loosen up even more. The natural reaction is to stiffen up and push the edge harder. The reason the chatter is happening is because you are loosing edge hold. Pushing against it now will only cause the edge to totally blow out and skid out of control to the outside of the turn. Anytime shit starts to go wrong snowboarding, bend something!

Give this a try and let us know how it felt and what the difference was regarding board performance.
wow bro thank you. so basically get way lower and really start working on bending and straightening my legs through the turns? and if I start to feel chatter relax and bend my knees more not try to push through hill? should I continue trying black runs? thank you so much. oh and initiate the next turn before I hit the fall line...also would it help to set the back of my bindings forward a bit?

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also would it help to set the back of my bindings forward a bit?
Dialing in some forward lean will always help you with the steeps IMO. It really pushes you into a more aggressive riding stance.
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:04 PM   #6 (permalink)
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so after thinking about this then watching some instructional videos I can better explain how I was attempting To ride this BD run. I was not trying to make dynamic skidded turns. what I was doing was trying to turn basically on the fall line or slightly before then sideslip to stop then use the slope to point me forward then sharp turn the sideslip. it was when I try to sideslip heel side that I fall. I'm assuming this isn't the correct way to attempt riding the "steeps". I will get comfortable doing dynamic skidded turns all the way down the steepest blues then make my way back the the blacks. or please correct me if I'm wrong. I can make a lot of dynamic skidded turns in a row but at some point I typically get going a little to fast and sideslip a bit then get going again. I'll work on not sideslipping. it's just so much fun considering I'm a longboarder. and I feel MUCH more comfortable going 55 on a plank of wood and asphalt than 30 on a plank of wood on soft snow. lol
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Yeah there's really no need to ever sideslip unless the run narrows down REALLY tight and you've got to scrub speed (like in some treed runs or on a chute)...

Otherwise, on a steep wide open piste instead of side slipping to scrub off speed you should be making more dramatic dynamic skidded turns that turn and almost go uphill again.

Alpine boarders basically don't skid at all, yet they control their speed by spending more time going across the hill, than down the fall line.

My suggestion is to get REALLY good at working on your turns on a blue before worrying about ramping up to steeper runs.
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Yeah there's really no need to ever sideslip unless the run narrows down REALLY tight and you've got to scrub speed (like in some treed runs or on a chute)...

Otherwise, on a steep wide open piste instead of side slipping to scrub off speed you should be making more dramatic dynamic skidded turns that turn and almost go uphill again.

Alpine boarders basically don't skid at all, yet they control their speed by spending more time going across the hill, than down the fall line.

My suggestion is to get REALLY good at working on your turns on a blue before worrying about ramping up to steeper runs.
so that's a really sharp turn to get yourself almost going back uphill. but that's a good thing for me to practice. thank you. snowboarding for me without goals is tough. now I have many clear cut goals to accomplish.
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so that's a really sharp turn to get yourself almost snowboarding for me without goals is tough. now I have many clear cut goals to accomplish.
And if putting a bunch of pressure on yourself to achieve doesn't work out, you could always try saying "fuck it" and just have fun.
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sometimes the easiest answers are the ones nobody wants to hear.

just ride more.
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