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Soggysnow 02-11-2013 06:59 PM

"The Fear" Snowboarding Psychology Coaching?
 
For most of us, we have experienced 'the fear' at some point or a few points in our days of snowboarding.

My latest one is a fear of boxes, and specific ones at that. While everyone at my level is progressing ahead of me, not afraid to try, and not failing when they do- I am lagging behind because I am constantly losing an ongoing mental conversation. When it comes around to trying, I DO injure myself adding to the problem (current injury mild concussion). I have tried ride on rails, with no mind issues, so know I can definitely do it and when I get it down, I love the feeling.

Obviously this is a problem for some more than others *puts hand up*
I would like to know if there is something that works for you, how do you get over the fear and not only start trying something (for the first time, or for the 100th time, until the fear set in) and succeeding?

Do you get take yourself away from that feature for awhile, do other things and then come back to it? Or do you jump in and just keep trying? What do you do when you can't make yourself do it anymore because the fear takes over?

Any of your own experiences, links, books- Anything that can help myself and others conquer the mind and get back on track. I am also interested in the differences between the men and the ladies. It seems in general we learn a little differently, and I am curious to know if there is a difference when dealing and getting over "the fear"

ta

zoom111 02-11-2013 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Soggysnow (Post 711513)
Do you get take yourself away from that feature for awhile, do other things and then come back to it? Or do you jump in and just keep trying?
ta


If your using the wrong technique and keep trying, your just going to make it much more difficult then it actually is. Start with just that: technique. Be aware of what you are doing and how it effects your other movements. Start small and work your way up.

Start off with a nice ride-on feature and work on your form/technique. Your going to have to muster up the courage to get a bit of speed (going slow will make it a lot harder).

If I'm having difficulties with some features I will walk away briefly and do the things I'm good at to boost my confidence before returning. Try to not make a big deal of it, but at the same time be mentally prepared and in the zone.

Treegreen 02-11-2013 07:13 PM

Fear is a result of your relative comfort. It's one of the reasons why heuristic psychology is such a problem in the back country (e.g. I've ridden this line 1,000 times and never had an avalanche so my brain takes mental shortcuts that might ignore signs telling me that today is a day I could set one off). It's also one of the reasons why "easy styling" is a part of the process to work people into park riding. You start small on features you can reasonably handle, work up your comfort level on them, and then progressively get larger.

Everyone is different, and the level of self-preservation we feel will be different from those around us. Typically speaking, young men are less risk averse than young women or older adults. Although I don't think you need to focus on that as a reason for why you are having trouble. My guess is your injury has kicked up your preservation a notch. The best approach, would be to leave your friends to do their thing and get a coach/lesson so that you can focus on what you're doing instead of on what other people are doing.

It isn't a race to get to the top or to see how fast you can master something. You need to change your mindset to focusing on what you can accomplish and in a time frame that makes it happen safely. Sure, it can be frustrating if you feel like you are falling behind, but that rush to catch up is also probably leading to mistakes. It is much better to focus on technique (as has already been suggested), so that you have a strong foundation to build upon. Once you've done that, you'll exponentially get better and may even find that you're surpassing your friends who are "faster" at this point. Any idiot can go hit a box, but that doesn't make them good.

Soggysnow 02-11-2013 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by zoom111 (Post 711537)
If your using the wrong technique and keep trying, your just going to make it much more difficult then it actually is. Start with just that: technique. Be aware of what you are doing and how it effects your other movements. Start small and work your way up.

Start off with a nice ride-on feature and work on your form/technique. Your going to have to muster up the courage to get a bit of speed (going slow will make it much more difficult).


My problem is... I have done the features before...then something happened and I am not even at square one because now I am either too scared to even roll over it or just hurting myself trying...but know I have done it before, injury free so I am getting furious. Its a mind issue for sure.
Yesterday I did on a ride on, pretty smooth box 5050, then a little bit of rotation, then backside boardslide..I had almost enough courage to try frontside but cut my speed, WAY too hard and then we moved onto something else so I did not try again. So Im ok with that box.
But there is the long thin box I have beef with...I know I can do it but have not successfully done it once since a couple of really hard bails. argh. All. in. my. head.

I did have a fantastic spin day today...but I am not sure whether I should avoiding the things I am having trouble with and getting some space/time away or dealing with it head on.
As I haven't been snowboarding for a long time I have not had to deal with fear in the way that you need to for this sport .

Treegreen- I did have freestyle coaching all weekend which is when the new head injury happened and why I brought up this thread. I really didn't achieve anything. Just even more frustrated and upset with myself as I couldn't make myself even ride on a basic feature when i have done harder things in the past.

wrathfuldeity 02-11-2013 07:15 PM

Fear can be a good thing...but progression or approximity to the target. There is also imagery and stress reaction control...like breathing. If you can control your breath, you can control your emotions and thoughts. But your statement indicates that ur psyching your self out..."I do injure myself"...which is just re-inforcing the failure belief...what is your goal? To injure yourself or to hit a box? Instead of fear being the wall to overcome....you accept that there is fear and you start there. It seems that you are fearing fear. Its a combination of arousal (fear), skills and confidence...and in that equation fear is the challenge not a roadblock.

linvillegorge 02-11-2013 07:15 PM

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Atoxa 02-11-2013 07:21 PM

With boxes the way I do it is if the park isn't packed I just ride the thing OVER and OVER again. There's a little progression park at my place no - one goes through and if I'm having a bad park day I just hit the box, stop, walk back up, do it again, repeat. I do that enough and my courage builds up and I get ready to do other things. Some days I'll have a day where I just am doing TERRIBLE at my boxes and rails. I'll slip on an edge, etc. If that is happening I go and work on my normal riding, trying double blacks and stuff. What I do always varies from day to day. Just practice the same thing over and over and you'll get the courage to do the next one. When I go to the hill I always say to myself something like "I'm going to focus on THAT feature all day". Last time I went for me it was the ride on 1" rail. The day before that it was the 25' jump. I aim to have that feature down by the end of the day. Not quite down on the 1" rail though... D: If I need encouragement after a day of snowboarding I just read some Calvin and Hobbes.

Soggysnow 02-11-2013 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by wrathfuldeity (Post 711569)
Fear can be a good thing...but progression or approximity to the target. There is also imagery and stress reaction control...like breathing. If you can control your breath, you can control your emotions and thoughts. But your statement indicates that ur psyching your self out..."I do injure myself"...which is just re-inforcing the failure belief...what is your goal? To injure yourself or to hit a box? Instead of fear being the wall to overcome....you accept that there is fear and you start there. It seems that you are fearing fear. Its a combination of arousal (fear), skills and confidence...and in that equation fear is the challenge not a roadblock.

Fearing fear, hows that for being a complicated lady? haha But I think you are right.
The initial fear didn't begin from an injury, just happened and got worse with time and attempts to overcome it by trying again.
I will say I did do one boardslide I was REALLY happy with yesterday. So glad there is a photo of it :yahoo:
But its just that long stupid box, get over that and I can try the rainbows.

Wrathfuldeity-Ill try concentrating on breathing on Thurs.

neshawnp 02-11-2013 07:40 PM

I first attempted a 50-50 mailbox shaped feature this season n bailed huge, result hematoma still draining s month later. Fact that I board 4 days a week doesn't help. I analyzed my fail. Which was shoulders parallel with feature n keeping my eyes focused on the end of the feature. After that first attempt I wore knee pads which helped get over the injury fear.

This weekend I just stomped my first 50-50 on a kinked rail, I was really surprised lol n amped. Focus on staying low. I think focusing on breathing helps. Inhale before u hit the feature n exhale as u transition on it focusing on the end of it. Take a few runs by it just scoping. I like going through the park once n then goin down a run n keeping it fun. That is what works for me. Good luck!

tflock82 02-11-2013 07:50 PM

Fear isnt always a big problem, what i usually do is just watch as many people i can hit the same feature im planning on hitting, once a see a person that kind looks equal to me(or worse) i just get the courage to do it. I do have a problem with jumps, ive done the biggest jumps within my resort except for the "expert jumps." my fear with these jumps is if im going to freak out in the air and just get smashed, i honestly think i can do it its just im afraid of the fact of wipping out and ending a couple of seasons, any tips? thanks:laugh:


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