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Old 02-27-2013, 03:04 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Yeah, what everyone has been saying in this thread has been interesting and surprising to me. Lots to learn =)

Hey, I don't really want to start a new thread so I'll post this question here ..

What am I going to be looking at if I want to head up to Cypress Saturday March 2? I'm not sure what to make of these conditions .. pouring rain the day before .. Will it be rideable or should I bail?

6 day Cypress Mountain snow forecast for 1124 m

Thanks!!

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Old 03-02-2013, 01:33 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Closet hard booter eh? I knew it Just fuckin' wit chya.
I'm probably going to try it for the first time this week
Kinda excited to rail some extreme carves.

I don't disagree that mid flex gear will perform well for advanced riding.
But boots are THE one thing that will enable you to go LARGE

You just can't fly through the air 30 or 50 feet without them.
In fairy tale land where the transition of every landing is so smooth you don't feel it, Maybe

But I'd constantly have shit in my drawers, knowing there is a chance that some unforeseen event could cause my boot to fold in half, with my foot in it.
Maybe the odd time, but 9 out of 10 times your ankles are gonna explode


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After snowboarding on and off for 25 years I've got a different perspective now. Never did do big drops or airs but went from Sorel soft boots to Burton hard boots and now have a pair or Rulers. I just bought a Custom X (to provide variety from my Malolo) and I wonder if I need to go back to stiffer boots. But... I have developed a bad knee over the years. So I think I want my ankles to flex and give my knee a bit of a break. Some physio once told me that ankle injuries and lasting stiffness ultimately transfers stress to the knees and hips -- back etc.

Next weekend I test drive the Custom X so I'll see what I think then. I really did like the old hard boot setup (with Nitro Scorpion) and the snappy turns but don't see myself going back to a highly directional stick again - too much fun switching and goofing around on the hill.

Anyway, I think I agree in general with Snow wolfe that a medium flex suits me best.
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Old 03-02-2013, 01:47 AM   #23 (permalink)
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i'm frankly shocked that anyone here recommends riding the most comfortable equipment possible.

good luck doing intense tree runs, moguls, or super-steeps with noodle gear, i'm not saying it's not possible, i'm just saying if this is the type of riding you are doing, your performance would improve with stiffer equipment.

going from a noodle boot/binding to a burton cartel and a burton ambush to a burton driver X and a union SL

each change coincided with a vast improvement in freeride performance
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Old 03-02-2013, 02:40 AM   #24 (permalink)
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After snowboarding on and off for 25 years I've got a different perspective now. Never did do big drops or airs but went from Sorel soft boots to Burton hard boots and now have a pair or Rulers. I just bought a Custom X (to provide variety from my Malolo) and I wonder if I need to go back to stiffer boots. But... I have developed a bad knee over the years. So I think I want my ankles to flex and give my knee a bit of a break. Some physio once told me that ankle injuries and lasting stiffness ultimately transfers stress to the knees and hips -- back etc.

Next weekend I test drive the Custom X so I'll see what I think then. I really did like the old hard boot setup (with Nitro Scorpion) and the snappy turns but don't see myself going back to a highly directional stick again - too much fun switching and goofing around on the hill.

Anyway, I think I agree in general with Snow wolfe that a medium flex suits me best.
Having snowboarded for a long time doesn't necessarily equate to intense riding. Probably the opposite.
There are exceptions, myself being one of them

If you didn't do those things that required that type of gear before, ya no kidding your not going to need them now.

But if you were doing that sort of shit & now 25 years later you're still pushing yourself, going bigger & faster, then yes you would need that gear now.

Rulers used to be the stiffest Burton boot back in the day, today I don't think they are even a 5 out of 10 on the stiffness scale.

They may be stiff enough for a little while, but they turn into slippers

If you ride like a Grammy, then Gammy's slippers will work just fine.


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Old 03-02-2013, 03:51 AM   #25 (permalink)
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[QUOTE=TT and others prefer stiff gear and that is totally fine; different strokes for different strokes. With the correct technique, each person can ride the same terrain equally well.[/QUOTE]

Wrong.

You make it sound like you don't need that type of gear because you have the correct technique.
Where as I must not be doing something right, so I require this type of gear.

That is so far off.

Take Xavier de Larue for example.
Lets just say you & him could ride down the same face.

He could go your pace in softer boots. (& this ain't meant to be a burn)
But there is no fuckin' way on earth you are going to go his pace with soft boots.
No fuckin' way, not even close. You hit a hard block of ice doin' 80mph,
oh look your ankle just exploded.

Technique isn't going to do shit. Technique can't sustain a blow of that force.

You've said a million times you don't like the sensation of falling.

I do, I love it. Part of falling is landing, you can't land huge drops with soft boots.

My technique @ landing big drops is perfect. I stomp them.


I'm curious as to how/where you came up with the impression that after 25 years, my technique is bad or not up to par with yours?
Or how you think it's a given, that after 8 years, your technique is just better than mine?

Please explain.


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Wrong.

You make it sound like you don't need that type of gear because you have the correct technique.
Where as I must not be doing something right, so I require this type of gear.

That is so far off.

Take Xavier de Larue for example.
Lets just say you & him could ride down the same face.

He could go your pace in softer boots. (& this ain't meant to be a burn)
But there is no fuckin' way on earth you are going to go his pace with soft boots.
No fuckin' way, not even close. You hit a hard block of ice doin' 80mph,
oh look your ankle just exploded.

Technique isn't going to do shit. Technique can't sustain a blow of that force.

You've said a million times you don't like the sensation of falling.

I do, I love it. Part of falling is landing, you can't land huge drops with soft boots.

My technique @ landing big drops is perfect. I stomp them.


I'm curious as to how/where you came up with the impression that after 25 years, my technique is bad or not up to par with yours?
Or how you think it's a given, that after 8 years, your technique is just better than mine?

Please explain.


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while i don't agree with the sentiment of this post, i do partially agree with the fact that aggressive freeriding demands med-stiff to stiff equipment, especially boots...
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Hey! So umm .. let's drop the hate, I only wanted to ask for advice and didn't mean for this to start =) I realize now that there are cons to stiffness and it may not be preferable in all circumstances.

First day riding with my stiff DC Ceptors! Conditions were super icy. I could definitely feel the difference in response. Hard to explain but .. compared to my old noodle boots it felt like I was riding my board rather than my board taking care of me. Good in alot of respects I guess ... but my board didn't feel as powerful as it used to. Could be other things I guess, have to keep trying!

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Hey! So umm .. let's drop the hate, I only wanted to ask for advice and didn't mean for this to start =) I realize now that there are cons to stiffness and it may not be preferable in all circumstances.

First day riding with my stiff DC Ceptors! Conditions were super icy. I could definitely feel the difference in response. Hard to explain but .. it felt like I was riding my board rather than my board taking care of me. Good in alot of respects I guess ... but my board didn't feel as powerful as it used to. Could be other things I guess, have to keep trying!
yup. I never felt like I had control over my board until I moved to stiff gear.

what do you mean by powerful?
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yup. I never felt like I had control over my board until I moved to stiff gear.

what do you mean by powerful?
Hard to explain ... a little more squirrelly? But I guess that's a part of the 'twitchy and unforgiving' deal. Could be the conditions, I haven't ridden pure chunky ice in a while.

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Old 03-04-2013, 12:15 AM   #30 (permalink)
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I'll describe my experience.

Moving to a stiff board brought a big jump upwards in my riding ability. It did force me to make make much more precise movements and the timing has to be spot on. On a mid-stiff board, I could get away with dirty stuff/fudging things - not so on the stiff board. Edge transitions need to be very clean, otherwise the board is quite 'hooky'.

I also get a huge improvement in edge hold, hard pack that rode like ice before now feels like soft well-prepared piste in terms of traction.

The board also needs to be angled less and has similar traction on hard pack/scraped loose stuff (with my mid-stiff camber board, there is a huge difference), making for a really predictable ride and allowing me to ride much more aggressively.

The funny thing is, I have to ride my mid flex board with a stiff binding to get edge hold; I ride my stiff board with a mid flex binding.
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